That's cool.
I couldn't disagree more about the talent that Brady has played with. I've never even heard of anyone else who thinks Brady has been playing with a bunch of slaw players his whole career. This completely ignores the other things that have attributed to his success, like the coaching and franchise as a whole. You asked what makes a team better than the other and said (or strongly implied) that you know who the better team is because they beat the other team. First, you know that is not always the case (yes, those Florida teams were better than the Vols) so I don't think it's wise to say that you only know which team is better because they won the game. Second, I thought I already explained why I think, generally speaking over the course of their careers, Brady's teams were better, but I'll elaborate. Overall surrounding talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Superior coaching and front office. Even if we concede talent on the offensive side of the ball is in favor of Manning, I still believe the overall advantage is pretty clearly in favor of Brady. If you disagree, that's fine.
ETA: Another reason for my belief that Brady has played on better teams is that each time he's missed games for injury or suspension his team has continued to win games with QBs that have proven to be hot garbage.
Also, there has been more than one incident, that we know of, where the Patriots have broken the rules to gain a competitive advantage. Perhaps they've been caught every single time they've cheated, and I won't speculate about what else may have occurred that they didn't get caught for, but at the very least we know the Patriots have broken the rules at least twice during Brady's tenure to gain a competitive advantage.
The supporting cast has been discussed and is now starting to get recognized for what it has been. It's part of the reason Belichik is now considered in a class by himself as a coach. The Super Bowl team that beat the Seahawks the leader in sacks was Rob Ninkovich. Last year, it was Trey Flowers.
I mean, from afar, it's like they are trying to see how ****** they can make their roster and still compete for a title. They up and traded Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins during the season. At 39 years old, they gave Brady a WR corps of Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, and Malcolm Mitchell. Their RB, Blount, they picked up on a waiver wire midseason (dk which year). Did you ever hear of James White? I didn't.
Brady has thrown TD passes in the Super Bowl to David Patten, Deion Branch, Robert Givens, Mike Vrabel, Randy Moss, Danny Woodhead, Aaron Hernandez, Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Lafell and James White.
Go research the Patriots during the Brady years and see how often they go get weapons for Brady. I fainted when they traded for Brandin Cooks.
Here's a video with Herm Edwards and Donovan McNabb
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Cu0Xw6AeA[/youtube]
Edit: regarding the better team...I used that as an example because the standard excuse for why a Peyton Manning team did not win is because the other team is better. It was always somebody else. Peyton never played a part in his team losing. And for Brady, the success that his team has enjoyed is always because he is playing for this unbelievably loaded squad. Well, I disagree on both counts. There are occasions where a Peyton Manning team lost because Peyton did not play like Peyton. That's not me bashing Peyton, he's human. There have been several occasions where the Patriots won because Brady made everyone around him better and not the other way around.
