former educators,

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Rudy123....Don't worry, many on here agree with you.

They just won't speak up for fear of losing VN friends.

Back on subject...The beast coaches ARE good teachers.

They know how to teach each player in different ways that the kids can understand better and learn faster.

Teaching the 3-4 D is going to take the longest thing for our kids to learn.

Even in the NFL where it's a full time job it often takes 2, 3 and sometimes 4 years for the players to learn everything about it.

There's also not enough D coaches that really know the 3-4 really well and can teach it well so the players can understand everything fast enough.

The 3-4 is very complex and there's so more things that a DC can do with it after everyone really knows how it all works and what to do.

Bama gets lots of players drafted simply because they already know the 3-4 so well and their learning curve won't take so long to get them on the field making plays.

I expect it to take 4 years to recruit the right types of players for every D position, teach them well and get decent depth built up.

That's just the nature of the 3-4 D unfortunately but once everything is learned well it's the toughest D to play against.

Thank God that Pruitt hired good coaching teachers for us.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Nocleats said:
After what was perceived as a lack of development and teaching by previous staff, Looks like several members of Jeremy Pruitts staff including himself, began their careers as educators and teachers first. I don't know if it will help or not but I can't see where it would hurt. Coach em up!!!
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I hope you're right!
 
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Rudy123 said:
No reflection on Coach Priutt but these days when I think of educators I think of unqualified people who indoctrinate high school and colleges in to socialism and communism
I also think of adult teachers on high school who have sex with 15 year old students and when caught they have no remorse.
Just saying
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The same thought ran through my mind when I read the OP. I'm sure you would agree with me that there are a lot of good, honest, hard-working teachers out there who care deeply about what they do. Anyone who doubts that is not well-informed.

But it's also true that the system has been corrupted by teachers' unions and their association with the politicians who support them. We're not talking about the rank and file here, but the leadership. There is a lot of data that suggests the quality of public education has gone down over the years at the same time spending has increased.

Anyway, I didn't want to make this a big political argument. But since it has already gone that way, I just wanted you to know that there are those of us who understand where you're coming from.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
And there is no teaching in a 1st grade gym class.

Comon. This the biggest stretch of all stretches.
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There's a lot of teaching. What you're saying is the same as "there's no teaching on a football field". Maybe he's not teaching 6 year olds quantum mechanics, but he is teaching them about physical activity
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Rudy123....Don't worry, many on here agree with you.

They just won't speak up for fear of losing VN friends.

Back on subject...The beast coaches ARE good teachers.

They know how to teach each player in different ways that the kids can understand better and learn faster.

Teaching the 3-4 D is going to take the longest thing for our kids to learn.

Even in the NFL where it's a full time job it often takes 2, 3 and sometimes 4 years for the players to learn everything about it.

There's also not enough D coaches that really know the 3-4 really well and can teach it well so the players can understand everything fast enough.

The 3-4 is very complex and there's so more things that a DC can do with it after everyone really knows how it all works and what to do.

Bama gets lots of players drafted simply because they already know the 3-4 so well and their learning curve won't take so long to get them on the field making plays.

I expect it to take 4 years to recruit the right types of players for every D position, teach them well and get decent depth built up.

That's just the nature of the 3-4 D unfortunately but once everything is learned well it's the toughest D to play against.

Thank God that Pruitt hired good coaching teachers for us.

VFL...GBO!!!
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If you defense takes 2, 3, or even 4 years too learn your defense is the problem. No teams offense nor defense take that long or is that complicated. If it were, they would've never made it this far in their career. You guys greatly overestimate the learning curve here.

Honestly, we will spend more time in nickel than any other defense and it'll be the same look as last year's nickel package
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Rudy123....Don't worry, many on here agree with you.

They just won't speak up for fear of losing VN friends.

Back on subject...The beast coaches ARE good teachers.

They know how to teach each player in different ways that the kids can understand better and learn faster.

Teaching the 3-4 D is going to take the longest thing for our kids to learn.

Even in the NFL where it's a full time job it often takes 2, 3 and sometimes 4 years for the players to learn everything about it.

There's also not enough D coaches that really know the 3-4 really well and can teach it well so the players can understand everything fast enough.

The 3-4 is very complex and there's so more things that a DC can do with it after everyone really knows how it all works and what to do.

Bama gets lots of players drafted simply because they already know the 3-4 so well and their learning curve won't take so long to get them on the field making plays.

I expect it to take 4 years to recruit the right types of players for every D position, teach them well and get decent depth built up.

That's just the nature of the 3-4 D unfortunately but once everything is learned well it's the toughest D to play against.

Thank God that Pruitt hired good coaching teachers for us.

VFL...GBO!!!
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It's football not brain surgery. Nothing about the sport of football should take a grown man 3-4 years to learn.
 
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Rudy123 said:
No reflection on Coach Priutt but these days when I think of educators I think of unqualified people who indoctrinate high school and colleges in to socialism and communism
I also think of adult teachers on high school who have sex with 15 year old students and when caught they have no remorse.
Just saying
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walkenvol said:
It's football not brain surgery. Nothing about the sport of football should take a grown man 3-4 years to learn.
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Tell that to NFL teams that are still teaching and adding in more parts of the 3-4 D 3 and 4 years later.

There's 3 or 4 times as many things you can do in a 3-4 D as there are in a 4-3 D.

Just in pass rushing blitz packages, there's many, many more things you can do in a 3-4 than there are options in the 4-3.

There's lots more to a 3-4 than most people know.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Tell that to NFL teams that are still teaching and adding in more parts of the 3-4 D 3 and 4 years later.

There's 3 or 4 times as many things you can do in a 3-4 D as there are in a 4-3 D.

Just in pass rushing blitz packages, there's many, many more things you can do in a 3-4 than there are options in the 4-3.

There's lots more to a 3-4 than most people know.

VFL...GBO!!!
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The 3-4 is not that complicated. If you're adding things 3-4 years later it doesn't mean you could've added them 3-4 years ago. More likely it just means you found something knew you wanted to do
 
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Nocleats said:
Sad to hear,, Maybe you should swear off media for a while and maybe take 6 dollars and go to A HS Basketball or Football game.. Promise you will see educators who do it right, and for the right reason, the kids. Stay around my daughters HS programs, she plays BBall and not only her coaches, but numerous other teachers and coaches there to help, to teach, to contribute.. It would do you good. Stay off FB for 3 months and other social medias and see if your opinion gets renewed. Betting it will
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Rudy's just displaying the paranoia of the typical knee-jerk reactionary.
It's not likely he could define either communism or socialism.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
And there is no teaching in a 1st grade gym class.

Comon. This the biggest stretch of all stretches.
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Lol for real. No matter who our coaches are, we have people like: Did you see what he said? How he did that? What he used to do? He realized we need this kind of player. Etc

He is the greatest thing since sliced bread, until he ain't. I wish for once, we could just wait and see, then give him labels
 
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onthefield said:
So do you do that w every profession?! Take the few exceptions and assume they are all that way or just educators? Because all professions have those few exceptions! I'm just going to say this, your comment has to be the most ignorant statement I've read on here!
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Amen.
 
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I embarrassed my family at the Notre dame game by say this, but I think it is appropriate in this tread too. "Rudy Sux"
 
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Vol8188 said:
There's a lot of teaching. What you're saying is the same as "there's no teaching on a football field". Maybe he's not teaching 6 year olds quantum mechanics, but he is teaching them about physical activity
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Lol you're just being difficult. Little kids don't have to be taught to run around in a gym.

It isn't the same. It's not even remotely the same. Because, you know, football requires technical skill. Nothing in an elementary school gym class does.

Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym. Yeah.

I'm not capping on Pruitt, but the straw grasping for praise is just funny.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Lol you're just being difficult. Little kids don't have to be taught to run around in a gym.

It isn't the same. It's not even remotely the same. Because, you know, football requires technical skill. Nothing in an elementary school gym class does.

Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym. Yeah.

I'm not capping on Pruitt, but the straw grasping for praise is just funny.
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What do you do that's so noble?
 
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Type Orange+ said:
You bring up a good point and I believe you are absolutely correct.

Teaching is the foundation of player development Teaching demands patience and knowledge. Traits inherent in educators.

Coach 'em up!
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Agreed, but is also requires expectations and accountability. More than anything, these are the traits the previous staff lacked, and mainly because of the culture established by the HC.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Lol you're just being difficult. Little kids don't have to be taught to run around in a gym.

It isn't the same. It's not even remotely the same. Because, you know, football requires technical skill. Nothing in an elementary school gym class does.

Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym. Yeah.

I'm not capping on Pruitt, but the straw grasping for praise is just funny.
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Kids absolutely have to be taught how to run around a gym. There are rules — not just to the games they play (which have to be *taught*), but also rules and procedures for the class itself, whether that’s 1st grade PE, high school trig, or Josh’s Dobbs aerospace engineering classes.

Yours and Rudy’s comments show that you haven’t spent a minute in a classroom setting since you left school. It really is sad that so much of our population views teaching as an easy-peasy, summers-off, “roll call, roll the ball, and read the newspaper” career.

I wish you could see my wife grading papers at 9 o’clock on Sunday. Or me teaching our future their rights under the Constitution (and no, it’s not communism or socialism). Or taking one of my ball players on college visits, when they realize their Waffle House waitress mom won’t have to pay for their college, much less watching them grow from immature freshmen to young men and citizens.




I hate that crap. I don’t come to where you work and smack the corn dog out of your hand.
 
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Coach_Z said:
Kids absolutely have to be taught how to run around a gym. There are rules — not just to the games they play (which have to be *taught*), but also rules and procedures for the class itself, whether that’s 1st grade PE, high school trig, or Josh’s Dobbs aerospace engineering classes.

Yours and Rudy’s comments show that you haven’t spent a minute in a classroom setting since you left school. It really is sad that so much of our population views teaching as an easy-peasy, summers-off, “roll call, roll the ball, and read the newspaper” career.

I wish you could see my wife grading papers at 9 o’clock on Sunday. Or me teaching our future their rights under the Constitution (and no, it’s not communism or socialism). Or taking one of my ball players on college visits, when they realize their Waffle House waitress mom won’t have to pay for their college, much less watching them grow from immature freshmen to young men and citizens.




I hate that crap. I don’t come to where you work and smack the corn dog out of your hand.
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This might be my favorite post in the history of this board.

My mom's been teaching HS for 35 years.
 
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Coach_Z said:
Kids absolutely have to be taught how to run around a gym. There are rules — not just to the games they play (which have to be *taught*), but also rules and procedures for the class itself, whether that’s 1st grade PE, high school trig, or Josh’s Dobbs aerospace engineering classes.

Yours and Rudy’s comments show that you haven’t spent a minute in a classroom setting since you left school. It really is sad that so much of our population views teaching as an easy-peasy, summers-off, “roll call, roll the ball, and read the newspaper” career.

I wish you could see my wife grading papers at 9 o’clock on Sunday. Or me teaching our future their rights under the Constitution (and no, it’s not communism or socialism). Or taking one of my ball players on college visits, when they realize their Waffle House waitress mom won’t have to pay for their college, much less watching them grow from immature freshmen to young men and citizens.




I hate that crap. I don’t come to where you work and smack the corn dog out of your hand.
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[Starts slow clap] 👏 👏
 
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Coach_Z said:
Kids absolutely have to be taught how to run around a gym. There are rules — not just to the games they play (which have to be *taught*), but also rules and procedures for the class itself, whether that’s 1st grade PE, high school trig, or Josh’s Dobbs aerospace engineering classes.

Yours and Rudy’s comments show that you haven’t spent a minute in a classroom setting since you left school. It really is sad that so much of our population views teaching as an easy-peasy, summers-off, “roll call, roll the ball, and read the newspaper” career.

I wish you could see my wife grading papers at 9 o’clock on Sunday. Or me teaching our future their rights under the Constitution (and no, it’s not communism or socialism). Or taking one of my ball players on college visits, when they realize their Waffle House waitress mom won’t have to pay for their college, much less watching them grow from immature freshmen to young men and citizens.




I hate that crap. I don’t come to where you work and smack the corn dog out of your hand.
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Taxpayers have every right to question why public education costs so much and gets such poor results. I realize that those who make their living off of it don't like it, but that's too bad.

As for your wife...are you saying that she grades papers all weekend? Or does she just procrastinate until Sunday night -- and then has to hurry up and get them done? I'm happy to grade those papers for her if she'll work for me this summer while I take it off.
 
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Hacksaw said:
Taxpayers have every right to question why public education costs so much and gets such poor results. I realize that those who make their living off of it don't like it, but that's too bad.

As for your wife...are you saying that she grades papers all weekend? Or does she just procrastinate until Sunday night -- and then has to hurry up and get them done? I'm happy to grade those papers for her if she'll work for me this summer while I take it off.
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Ignorant post. You have no clue, and it's very evident.
 
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Hacksaw said:
What do I not have a clue about? Taxpayers don't have the right to ask questions?
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They obviously do. Thanks for proving my point.

You seem to have all of the answers regarding public education. You certainly are critical. Why don't you earn the degree, become a teacher, and start the revolution to fix everything. My bet is you wouldn't last a month. You definitely wouldn't be happy with the pay. And, you would be extremely frustrated with inexperienced bureaucrats creating laws making your job impossible. Couple that with unwarranted criticism from people like you, and my guess is you'd happily saunter back to whatever pedestal you came from.
 
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