Finished! Done!

[FLVOL_79]

Percy,

I would ask you the same question. Have you read the 87 page document? If not, i encourage to do so. Saying this will blow over is dismissive fandom. In other words, it is basically saying, "Really, if i'm honest, i don't care what the truth is. I just want this to go away so my team can win some games." Sorry, i can't go there anymore. I've already been on the edge with pay for play looming and the financial nonsense that has become college athletics. When i weigh this against the nostalgia and pageantry of growing up going to games, i just don't see the benefit. I'm simply holding on to a myth. College football today is NOT what I'm really drawn to. It's a caricature. Being a fan, as we see, requires an emotional investment that causes otherwise decent people to abandon all reason and to overlook cheating and outright misconduct. I won't be party to that anymore. This case is really just the straw.

The legal team that is bringing this has been deliberate and strategic, but the fact is they have an actual case. Settle or not, it's ugly, and the repercussions will be far reaching. UT cannot bury this with its checkbook. A pandora's box has been opened.

Pro tip: Don't live vicariously through things, especially sports teams. I like watching UT sports. But win or lose it has zero impact on my life. UT could sanction a good old fashioned southern democrat cross burning while sacrificing ginger babies to an ancient Sumerian deity on the ashes of a neighborhood of Habitat for Humanity homes while serving General Tso's puppy for finger snacks and I would still tune in on Saturdays.

What goes on off the field doesn't matter to me at all and really shouldn't matter to anyone else for that matter unless of course you're being sexually assaulted by these folks.

But that's just my view..cuz you know if you stopped associating with things because of their bad past you'd probably be living in a cave.

 

[hog88]

1) Sandvol 2.0

2) I don't ever want you near a jury for a case involving myself or my loved ones.

3) Arrests =\= convictions.

4) Please leave VolNation. Let your heart be troubled not by the rest of us supporting an institution of rape.

:rock:

Hopefully he'll take some of his buddies.

 

[Roustabout]

Pro tip: Don't live vicariously through things, especially sports teams. I like watching UT sports. But win or lose it has zero impact on my life. UT could sanction a good old fashioned southern democrat cross burning while sacrificing ginger babies to an ancient Sumerian deity on the ashes of a neighborhood of Habitat for Humanity homes while serving General Tso's puppy for finger snacks and I would still tune in on Saturdays.

What goes on off the field doesn't matter to me at all and really shouldn't matter to anyone else for that matter unless of course you're being sexually assaulted by these folks.

Your post has to be one of the most contradictory things i've ever read. You will still watch UT Sports regardless of anything? Ok. I like knowing when i'm dealing with a sociopath.

 

[hog88]

Your post has to be one of the most contradictory things i've ever read. You will still watch UT Sports regardless of anything? Ok. I like knowing when i'm dealing with a sociopath.

You are priceless, when ya leaving?

 

[1972 Grad]

Are most of the allegations against the golf team, the rowing team, or swimming and diving?

 

[Roustabout]

1) Sandvol 2.0

2) I don't ever want you near a jury for a case involving myself or my loved ones.

3) Arrests =\= convictions.

4) Please leave VolNation. Let your heart be troubled not by the rest of us supporting an institution of rape.

1) Ad hominem
2) This is a civil case, which only requires a preponderance of evidence. UT would absolutely get killed if this went to actual trial. I'm not offering a verdict on an individual criminally. But, there is enough here to support my position, and it's my right to support UT or walk away. Thanks for taking it personally.

3)I never said arrests equals conviction. However, lack of arrest and lack of conviction also does not equal innocence. (OJ?)

4)I never said i was leaving VN. I will not read or post on the sports side. That's one reason i put this in the political side. But thanks for respecting my opinion.

Here is a question for you. Supposing this case is based in truth, what will/would you do?

 

[Grand Vol]

You are priceless, when ya leaving?

Probably when this thread dies from lack of interest.

(hint, hint)

 

[Roustabout]

Glad to see all the discussion over the case presented in the lawsuit and not a punch of childish pot shots. Really speaks volumes the character of our posters here at VN.

 

[Stoked]

Are you talking about the 87 page document that lists Lil John as a suspect in the lawsuit? I'm sorry but that's when it lost all credibility.

 

[vols4sure]

You obviously haven't read the document. I might as well talk to a brick wall.

My wife works for a DA. Do you know how hard it is to prosecute sexual abuse cases? Do you why?
Dismissive fandom. Stick your fingers in your ears and sing Rocky Top. This aint going away.

May be you missed where I said I have read it so maybe I am the one talking to a brick wall. I am also an attorney so I am used to reading one-sided complaints.

 

[apevol]

Glad to see all the discussion over the case presented in the lawsuit and not a punch of childish pot shots. Really speaks volumes the character of our posters here at VN.

It seems like a few people are exhausted by the prospect of arguing with you anymore, so they're hoping this thread was your swan song.

I'm not saying I'm one of these people, fwiw.

 

[Grand Vol]

Glad to see all the discussion over the case presented in the lawsuit and not a punch of childish pot shots. Really speaks volumes the character of our posters here at VN.

There's nearly a thousand post thread in the FF and at least a dozen other related threads along those lines already where it's being discussed at length. Why try to stir up crap in this forum? It's like starting a "Fahr Holly!" thread here.

You want to go and be done with UT Athletics, we wish you well. But there is no reason to be cross posting this BS where we have more important matters to discuss like Trump peeing his pants.

 

[Roustabout]

There's nearly a thousand post thread in the FF and at least a dozen other related threads along those lines already where it's being discussed at length. Why try to stir up crap in this forum? It's like starting a "Fahr Holly!" thread here.

You want to go and be done with UT Athletics, we wish you well. But there is no reason to be cross posting this BS where we have more important matters to discuss like Trump peeing his pants.

I'm not going back to the FF, and this certainly is justifiable conversation on the political side as it would be a topic of conversation on even a non-sports forum. it's not as if this is discussing scores and stats.

Further, i don't recall ever seeing a link to the actual lawsuit. I've provided that here.

 

[VolnJC]

Dang I came over here just to whip this out

 

[Carl Pickens]

While the document is very damning it is only one side of the story. I don't know much about any of the stories behind the accusations, but I have heard from multiple sources that the Von Pearson situation is a bunch of crap,

 

[hndog609]

Call it a knee jerk reaction, i don't care. I am done with UT athletics, and major college sports in general. I will no longer support UT financially, or by attending games, or cheering for my alma mater. As an alum, i am ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with this institution.

I received a pdf of the 87 page suit filed against UT based on the complaint of several plantiffs who are the alleged victims of sexual abuse by current and former UT athletes. I'm not sure if anyone has linked the suit on the forum, but it needs to be. I could not find a link, or i would have done so here. I'd be happy to email the copy i received to anyone who wants to read it. Teh excerpts in the media don't even come close to painting the picture. The lawsuit lays out a pattern of sexual misconduct by UT athletes, as well as a pattern or how the University responded towards those who brought forth these allegations. The allegations reveal, at worse, a complicity by UT to cover up and bury these cases, and at best, a dismissive attitude towards a long pattern of sexual misconduct.

If you haven't read the complaint, then i suggest you do so before you respond, comment, or rally around the University, or anyone in leadership. If only a portion of this information is accurate it is a horrific indictment on UT. And, we know for a fact, that the athletes named were in fact alleged to have committed these improprieties. The resignation of Tim Rogers, a 38 year employee who dealt with these cases, is perhaps the most condemning.

It is shameful what is going on over on the Hill. It happens everywhere? I don't give two ****s, and anyone who proposes that excuse is a piece of human excrement that doesn't deserve the time of day. The possibility that this is epidemic across college athletics doesn't excuse or minimize the horrific nature of what is occurring. This is bad. Probably worse than many here on this forum want to admit. It will undermine UT sports, and quite frankly i don't care. Shut the whole thing down if you have to, but this pattern of behavior must stop now. I will no longer support the side show that has become major college athletics.

So what did you think of the original complaint filed against the Duke lacrosse team?

 

[Roustabout]

While the document is very damning it is only one side of the story. I don't know much about any of the stories behind the accusations, but I have heard from multiple sources that the Von Pearson situation is a bunch of crap,

Read the lawsuit. It's linked in this thread. I don't think you really know the depth of what is alleged. It isn't simply that some individuals committed some sexual indiscretions.
The plantiffs have sworn testimony (at risk of perjury) from a former Vice Chancellor and director of student judicial affairs that the Chancellor, President and AD ignored repeated warnings about the culture and risk from an inordinate amount of sexual assaults. And that those in leadership acted to undermine proper investigation. It ain't good. Saying there are "two sides" is really ignoring what is on the table at this juncture.

 

[Roustabout]

So what did you think of the original complaint filed against the Duke lacrosse team?

From memory, that was a one time house party incident and an allegation brought by one plaintiff, who was also a stripper and escort. I don't recall her having testimony from vice chancellors and directors of student judicial affairs.

The UT case list complaints dating back over a decade.

I'm sorry, what was your question?

 

[ReaderVol]

Call it a knee jerk reaction, i don't care. I am done with UT athletics, and major college sports in general. I will no longer support UT financially, or by attending games, or cheering for my alma mater. As an alum, i am ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with this institution.

I received a pdf of the 87 page suit filed against UT based on the complaint of several plantiffs who are the alleged victims of sexual abuse by current and former UT athletes. I'm not sure if anyone has linked the suit on the forum, but it needs to be. I could not find a link, or i would have done so here. I'd be happy to email the copy i received to anyone who wants to read it. Teh excerpts in the media don't even come close to painting the picture. The lawsuit lays out a pattern of sexual misconduct by UT athletes, as well as a pattern or how the University responded towards those who brought forth these allegations. The allegations reveal, at worse, a complicity by UT to cover up and bury these cases, and at best, a dismissive attitude towards a long pattern of sexual misconduct.

If you haven't read the complaint, then i suggest you do so before you respond, comment, or rally around the University, or anyone in leadership. If only a portion of this information is accurate it is a horrific indictment on UT. And, we know for a fact, that the athletes named were in fact alleged to have committed these improprieties. The resignation of Tim Rogers, a 38 year employee who dealt with these cases, is perhaps the most condemning.

It is shameful what is going on over on the Hill. It happens everywhere? I don't give two ****s, and anyone who proposes that excuse is a piece of human excrement that doesn't deserve the time of day. The possibility that this is epidemic across college athletics doesn't excuse or minimize the horrific nature of what is occurring. This is bad. Probably worse than many here on this forum want to admit. It will undermine UT sports, and quite frankly i don't care. Shut the whole thing down if you have to, but this pattern of behavior must stop now. I will no longer support the side show that has become major college athletics.

So all you need to see is one side of an issue and your mind is made up? So if an accusation or charge is made the person is guilty? OK I can see where you're coming from, let's close courtrooms nation wide and just build more prisons because they're gonna fill up fast. Besides, that whole "innocent until proven guilty" stuff is stupid. Right? Wow

 

[ReaderVol]

Hey OP Von Pearson should be put in prison along with the Duke LaCross team right? I mean they were accused so they MUST be guilty right?

 

[Roustabout]

So all you need to see is one side of an issue and your mind is made up? So if an accusation or charge is made the person is guilty? OK I can see where you're coming from, let's close courtrooms nation wide and just build more prisons because they're gonna fill up fast. Besides, that whole "innocent until proven guilty" stuff is stupid. Right? Wow

Your naivety is charming. You should read through the dialogue on the thread as this has already been answered repeatedly. This isn't an innocent until proven guilty deal. This is a CIVIL case against the university knucklehead. It's also obvious, like so many, you haven't read the lawsuit. Congrats. Add your name to the list of head burying fans.

 

[BearCat204]

 

[Roustabout]

Hey OP Von Pearson should be put in prison along with the Duke LaCross team right? I mean they were accused so they MUST be guilty right?

Hey, perhaps you should address the actual content of the lawsuit. Oh, wait, you haven't read it. The Duke Lacrosse team incident was a criminal case brought by an over zealous DA, who was relying on one victim who was also a stripper and escort and had no corroborating witnesses. Do you really think that is what this civil case is about?

Your comparison is nothing short of stupid. I think i suggested reading the case before you commented. Had you done so, you would have spared yourself looking like a clueless moron.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Call it a knee jerk reaction, i don't care. I am done with UT athletics, and major college sports in general. I will no longer support UT financially, or by attending games, or cheering for my alma mater. As an alum, i am ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with this institution.

I received a pdf of the 87 page suit filed against UT based on the complaint of several plantiffs who are the alleged victims of sexual abuse by current and former UT athletes. I'm not sure if anyone has linked the suit on the forum, but it needs to be. I could not find a link, or i would have done so here. I'd be happy to email the copy i received to anyone who wants to read it. Teh excerpts in the media don't even come close to painting the picture. The lawsuit lays out a pattern of sexual misconduct by UT athletes, as well as a pattern or how the University responded towards those who brought forth these allegations. The allegations reveal, at worse, a complicity by UT to cover up and bury these cases, and at best, a dismissive attitude towards a long pattern of sexual misconduct.

If you haven't read the complaint, then i suggest you do so before you respond, comment, or rally around the University, or anyone in leadership. If only a portion of this information is accurate it is a horrific indictment on UT. And, we know for a fact, that the athletes named were in fact alleged to have committed these improprieties. The resignation of Tim Rogers, a 38 year employee who dealt with these cases, is perhaps the most condemning.

It is shameful what is going on over on the Hill. It happens everywhere? I don't give two ****s, and anyone who proposes that excuse is a piece of human excrement that doesn't deserve the time of day. The possibility that this is epidemic across college athletics doesn't excuse or minimize the horrific nature of what is occurring. This is bad. Probably worse than many here on this forum want to admit. It will undermine UT sports, and quite frankly i don't care. Shut the whole thing down if you have to, but this pattern of behavior must stop now. I will no longer support the side show that has become major college athletics.

Quitter

 

[hndog609]

From memory, that was a one time house party incident and an allegation brought by one plaintiff, who was also a stripper and escort. I don't recall her having testimony from vice chancellors and directors of student judicial affairs.

The UT case list complaints dating back over a decade.

I'm sorry, what was your question?

Now that I've read a few more submissions I'd hope the answer is clear as the idea is coming across pretty clearly. Accusations are easy. I want the validity vetted...you should too.

And that's not just something to abide by in this case either but in almost anything hear in the media or legal scenarios.