Crime and the United States

[whodeycin85]

A wrongfully convicted person put to death is simply collateral damage in a just society? Really?

How is it different then innocents in war?

 

[utvolpj]

How is it different then innocents in war?

Are you asking how a legal proceeding that reaches an incorrect conclusion is different than a military airstrike?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If you're tired of all the Biden/Harris love support in your town you can always move out.

Liberal utopia.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We should be doing away with the death penalty, not expanding the crimes it applies to.

Eric Boyd says hi.

 

[LouderVol]

How is it different then innocents in war?

because we aren't at war. different rules apply to war. and typically in war a government is not going to be actively targeting its own citizens.

civil war would be the exception.

 

[whodeycin85]

because we aren't at war. different rules apply to war. and typically in war a government is not going to be actively targeting its own citizens.

civil war would be the exception.

I'd argue that a civilized society based on morals and rule of law is always at war against criminals and those that dont abide by those morals or laws..

 

[hog88]

I'd argue that a civilized society based on morals and rule of law is always at war against criminals and those that dont abide by those morals or laws..

Oh boy, we're now at war if our morals differ?

 

[LouderVol]

I'd argue that a civilized society based on morals and rule of law is always at war against criminals and those that dont abide by those morals or laws..

I don't have my jackboots on tight as some.

 

[whodeycin85]

Oh boy, we're now at war if our morals differ?

Would you say that someone that doesn't believe that murder is wrong And does so without consequences would be an enemy of a civil society?

 

[VOLS INC.]

 

[hog88]

Would you say that someone that doesn't believe that murder is wrong And does so without consequences would be an enemy of a civil society?

Sure but I'm not about to go to war with someone who believes it's morally ok to cheat on their spouse while I believe it is morally wrong.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I don't think I am capable of answering that question. I think of life as a precious gift. So, for me the death penalty is the ultimate way to punish because we are removing the most precious thing a person has. But not everyone (including brutal criminals) feel that way. I suspect some of those would rather die than spend life in prison. Like I said earlier, not an easy issue to consider.

Death is preferable to even 20 years in prison at a max or supermax facility which is where anyone who killed somebody is going.

At 18 or 21 years old in my prime with my whole life ahead of me, i would still gladly take death over 20 years caged like an animal...at the mercy of the monsters that walk among men AND the State which doesnt care at ALL about the wellbeing, safety, or rape of its prisoners. A life sentence without parole would result in suicide for me at any age. I got locked up for a bit as a teenager 30 years ago and have never been in any trouble since. Got in fights all the time, spent most of the time in solitary due to that...and I can speak from experience when i say that 1 day in a cage seems to take at least a week to pass. You can only do so much reading and push-ups...and in solitary especially sanity is hard to hang onto. At this age, i would kill myself if i got framed for something and sentenced to 10 years. No way in Hell I am doing 8 and a half years in Hell fellas. Just simply not gonna happen. Fortunately I am a law abiding, God Fearing man now...so unless someone does something terrible to my family member(s), I will never have to worry about this crap. Just wanted to weigh in for anyone thinking a death penalty is the worst thing that can happen to a guy. Its far, far from the worst thing. Promise. I do agree that the State should always have to have DNA evidence, video, witnesses etc and eliminate any doubt before killing a man though.

 

[EasternVol]

current thoughts are trending like this...irrefutable evidence from 3 independent sources should be adequate to establish guilt. Ex. Robber kills 4 employees at close. 5th employee survives and can positively ID. Plus store video showing event and clear pic of face, LEO arrives and has body cam footage and arrests the person still in the store.

With AI, such proof can be manufactured. It's not ridiculous to think that false evidence could be used to get rid of political opponents and other obstacles to power and riches.
Now where's my tinfoil cap?

 

[McDad]

With AI, such proof can be manufactured. It's not ridiculous to think that false evidence could be used to get rid of political opponents and other obstacles to power and riches.
Now where's my tinfoil cap?

That's why the need for corroboration.

 

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