CO2 Atmospheric Levels Reach Record High

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MT LeConte said:
Lobotomy was never a universally accepted medical practice and ended very quickly. Eugenics was and still is a Social Philosophy and not endorsed by science.

Yes science has been proven wrong on many occasions. But this is a big one to be dismissed offhanded.

P.S. What are the host of other things that have global implications that we'd like to sweep under the carpet.
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Planned Parenthood disagrees.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Planned Parenthood disagrees.
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Mt seemed to miss the fact that he was being very vague in his definition of "science" while ignoring the fact that "scientists" promoted racist eugenics--thus causing harm to his argument that everyone should just sthu and let scientists think and set gov't policy for us.
 
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armchair said:
....But let's not worry about it because conservative politicians in the pocket of the energy industry tell people that the scientists are lying. Somebody's been lying--but it's not the scientists.

Global atmospheric CO2 levels hit record high | Environment | The Guardian
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"The last time Earth experienced similar CO2 concentration rates was during the Pliocene era (three to five million years ago)"

So it's not a record. What is a record is human population; what are you going to do about that?

You see if global warming is man made, then your idiot savants have a problem on their hands because that means population is the problem driving all the stuff they whine about. They are all overwrought about the effect while ignoring the problem.
 
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Considering highchair is a Obamaton robot I hope he realizes oxygen corrodes certain metals..
 
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France has the most decarbonized grid in the world that doesn't rely on mostly hydro. And they want to roll it back for more renewables. This isn't science. It's government led fraud and money grabbing.
 
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MT LeConte said:
Most Republicans and some VN members know that science brought us out of the stone age, through The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Space Age and into the Age of Electronics. Marvels of science and engineering abound throughout the world and literally on every street corner. Our understanding of our planet and the universe are at a level that could not have been imagined fifty years ago.

But just let the scientists try to tell a Republican that human produced carbon emissions and it's inevitable buildup in the atmosphere are not good for the earth and our future and their only answer is the echo from a Republican talking point.





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I don't deny that we contribute. Buit why aren't you shouting this from the treetops to the people that are making the biggest contribution? You know... the Chinese, Indians... Indonesians... Those developing countries that are RAPIDLY converting from human powered transportation to internal combustion power. You want Americans, which have the cleanest burning engines around to do... what exactly? Bail a few drops out of the ocean? The whole global warming argument is shooting at the wrong target if you want results.
 
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McDad said:
I have 10 million plants on my 15 acres which suck CO2 out of the air and convert it to O2 and sugar.
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I was thinking similarly. I have an orchard, etc... I have acres of forest, etc... All of which take carbon out of the air, sequester it into the soil, and exchange it for oxygen.

Nature does it better. Figure out how to help her along instead of trying to take her place. We always screw it up royally when we think we can do it better than her.
 
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Where did these guys get the money to fund this plant?

And where does it get the energy to boil the water necessary? Iceland makes sense, but Switzerland?
 
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MT LeConte said:
Most Republicans and some VN members know that science brought us out of the stone age, through The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Space Age and into the Age of Electronics. Marvels of science and engineering abound throughout the world and literally on every street corner. Our understanding of our planet and the universe are at a level that could not have been imagined fifty years ago.

But just let the scientists try to tell a Republican that human produced carbon emissions and it's inevitable buildup in the atmosphere are not good for the earth and our future and their only answer is the echo from a Republican talking point.





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What most liberals fail to grasp is that most of these predictions of doom come from the use of computer models. Computer models that are used to predict long range climate or weather are unreliable. There are far too many variables that are completely unknown at the time the model is generated.

I have personally followed weather models for 20 years now, making my own forecasts. I can tell you that The EURO, GFS, NAM, and DGEX models are only reliable about 3 days out.....if that. I have a friend in the business that holds a PHD in atmospheric physics and meteorology. He laughs at the global warming alarmists and has sent me numerous photos of weather reporting stations that are set up near biased sources such as hot rooftops.

Bottom line is that the current climate forecasts that you now see have about a 1 in 10000 chance of being correct, and the climate will change regardless if man is here or not. Not a damn thing we can do about it. Only a mentally ill person would support billions of our dollars being shipped over seas to fight nothing more than a phantom. But of course, the wealth transfer that it creates is part of the socialist utopia that they seek to create.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Where did these guys get the money to fund this plant?

And where does it get the energy to boil the water necessary? Iceland makes sense, but Switzerland?
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they are saying that a bunch of large corporations are buying in. kinda doing the carbon trade program, just without the government.
 
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LouderVol said:
they are saying that a bunch of large corporations are buying in. kinda doing the carbon trade program, just without the government.
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I'd like to see the accounting on emissions. They have to come up with energy from somewhere to generate the heat. That ain't free. Kind of like those stupid hand dryers in the restrooms. How much energy is wasted providing the electricity for those things versus how much it would take to recycle paper towels.

'Green' living is ripe for scams.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Considering highchair is a Obamaton robot I hope he realizes oxygen corrodes certain metals..
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I finally had to put him/her on the ignore yesterday, I have always considered him/her dense or a troll, after the his racist and sexists rant yesterday - I figured both.

Placing people on ignore is a good thing.
 
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I'd like to see the accounting on emissions. They have to come up with energy from somewhere to generate the heat. That ain't free. Kind of like those stupid hand dryers in the restrooms. How much energy is wasted providing the electricity for those things versus how much it would take to recycle paper towels.

'Green' living is ripe for scams.
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the jet ones are 500 watts

the ones that use heat are 1800 watts.

no idea what it takes to recycle paper, but that uses a eff ton of chemicals and as soon as you have to transport them you are spend way more than 500 watts.
 
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LouderVol said:
the jet ones are 500 watts

the ones that use heat are 1800 watts.

no idea what it takes to recycle paper, but that uses a eff ton of chemicals and as soon as you have to transport them you are spend way more than 500 watts.
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I don't have any idea how many emissions are placed in the atmosphere to produce 500 watts. I do know that very little of that energy currently in use to run those dryers is that of the renewable kind. Paper towels might use chemicals and energy to recycle, but they are recyclable. I get that it is a tradeoff, but my contention is still that those supposedly 'green' dryers are not non-polluting. Just like battery powered anything.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't have any idea how many emissions are placed in the atmosphere to produce 500 watts. I do know that very little of that energy currently in use to run those dryers is that of the renewable kind. Paper towels might use chemicals and energy to recycle, but they are recyclable. I get that it is a tradeoff, but my contention is still that those supposedly 'green' dryers are not non-polluting. Just like battery powered anything.
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again. transportation makes all the difference in the world. and yeah they aren't totally green, but right now green is a relative statement vs a absolute statement.
 
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