Christmas Toy Drive Cancelled (Athiest Threatens Lawsuit)

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therealUT said:
Virgin birth is not a logical impossibility, therefore, not a logical absurdity.
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Mary's hymen was broken riding horseback. Mary sat on a toilet seat that had the fresh sperm of God on it. The sperm made its way up into her ovaries and inseminated an egg. Thus the story of Jesus Christ begins.
 
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I just want to say that for you that are atheist , you should be worried and here is why. If there is not any God then there is no Heaven or Hell , you just die and that is it. Now if the Christian dies (like me) we will die and go to Heaven. Now If there is not a God then I am fine and I just die , but if you are wrong and there is a Heaven and a Hell you will die and go to Hell but either way I am ok. So you should think long and hard about your soul.
 
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tennesseegirl said:
I just want to say that for you that are atheist , you should be worried and here is why. If there is not any God then there is no Heaven or Hell , you just die and that is it. Now if the Christian dies (like me) we will die and go to Heaven. Now If there is not a God then I am fine and I just die , but if you are wrong and there is a Heaven and a Hell you will die and go to Hell but either way I am ok. So you should think long and hard about your soul.
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Thanks Pascal. Problem with this line of thinking is that the Judeo-Christian God is on record, in his own book, as saying he is a jealous God. If that God exists, then no problem for the Christian. However, if you are trying to justify faith on the grounds you have given above, and the Judeo-Christian God does not exist but another God, who also happens to be jealous, does exist, then the Christian, as opposed to the agnostic or atheists, might have sealed his/her fate in hell.
 
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therealUT said:
Thanks Pascal. Problem with this line of thinking is that the Judeo-Christian God is on record, in his own book, as saying he is a jealous God. If that God exists, then no problem for the Christian. However, if you are trying to justify faith on the grounds you have given above, and the Judeo-Christian God does not exist but another God, who also happens to be jealous, does exist, then the Christian, as opposed to the agnostic or atheists, might have sealed his/her fate in hell.
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Another god? Trut. You are trying to hard
 
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Obsessed said:
Another god? Trut. You are trying to hard
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Not at all. Her argument relies on the following assumption:

Either the Judeo-Christian God exists or no God exists. That's as tough an assumption as simply, no God exists.
 
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therealUT said:
Not at all. Her argument relies on the following assumption:

Either the Judeo-Christian God exists or no God exists. That's as tough an assumption as simply, no God exists.
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Your presumption is that she assumes there is a Judeo-Christian God. She knows there is. She also knows there is no other god. The bible tells us this. You inserted another god for your argument.

The only argument that I can see that be made against her is if there is a Judeo-Christian God.

Correct?
 
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Obsessed said:
Your presumption is that she assumes there is a Judeo-Christian God. She knows there is. She also knows there is no other god. The bible tells us this. You inserted another god for your argument.

The only argument that I can see that be made against her is if there is a Judeo-Christian God.

Correct?
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Negative, she clearly made an appeal to the atheist. She told the atheist that the atheist ought to be worried and that the Christian need not worry because:

If no God, nothing.
But, if a God, then the Christian goes to heaven and the atheist burns in hell.

It's Pascal's wager (just not as eloquently stated). And, it has the same pitfalls of Pascal's wager, namely, that the disjunction (Judeo-Christian God exists or no God exists) does not exhaust all of the possibilities. One can easily add to that disjunction:

(the Hindu God exists or the Norse God exists or the Hellenic God exists or the Judeo-Christian God exists or no God exists)

Further, for each of these dieties, one can very readily assume they are jealous, and they demand that persons believe in them, else they are damned to suffering. This leads us to the following:

If the Hindu God exists, then Hindu believers will eventually reach eternal bliss and non-believers in Hinduism will receive suffering.

If the Norse God exists, then Norse believers will eventually reach eternal bliss and non-believers in Nordic religion will receive suffering.

If the Hellenic God exists, then Hellenic believers will eventually reach eternal bliss and non-believers in Hellenism will receive suffering.

If the Judeo-Christian God exists, then Judeo-Christian believers will eventually reach eternal bliss and non-believers in Judeo-Christian religions will receive suffering.

The Christian, therefore, has in no way secured the best possible outcome, as Pascal would have one believe. Further, whatever God exists might fault individuals for being idol worshipers (i.e., worshiping false gods), yet take mercy on individuals who simply say, "I did not have enough information to make a decision" (and, that assumes belief is a choice...which, we will not get into here, but it is very problematic).
 
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SALAMANDER DRAKE said:
I have Christian values, this world is sick with child porn, rapes, and murders, a God??. I don't know??, the science of evolution is too strong, and yes, I'm a Christian, just values, the sickness of people on this planet astounds me, not you all, but some people give religious and catholics and christians crap, like liberals, but embrace muslims, the muslim extremeists are responsible for 98% of the terrorist killings of innocent people and children on this planet. So bloooow me atheists and your hipocracy beliefs. You hate christmas, but you love abortions, killing babies. Now, that's Genius.
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So brave.
 
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SALAMANDER DRAKE said:
I have Christian values, this world is sick with child porn, rapes, and murders, a God??. I don't know??, the science of evolution is too strong, and yes, I'm a Christian, just values, the sickness of people on this planet astounds me, not you all, but some people give religious and catholics and christians crap, like liberals, but embrace muslims, the muslim extremeists are responsible for 98% of the terrorist killings of innocent people and children on this planet. So bloooow me atheists and your hipocracy beliefs. You hate christmas, but you love abortions, killing babies. Now, that's Genius.
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Who said liberals embrace Muslims? Thinking that Christians ought not have any priority over Muslims is not embracing Muslims. It's just not demeaning them, as you have obviously done here. If you want to throw out weak arguments re: hypocrisy, how about all those individuals who profess to have 'Christian values' yet support US military operations all across the planet? Sure, maybe Jesus was not a pacifist.

As for your 98% stat: please provide evidence. I'm pretty sure I've supplied officially accepted numbers regarding terrorist attacks and ideologies on this board. Feel free to search for those numbers. They certainly do not support your 98%, that you pulled right out of your fourth point of contact.
 
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Sarah Palin ? LMAO ROFL . Oh my , the woman who cannot keep her own kids from getting KNOCKED UP ? Your Cristian VALUES are pretty much Fooked up . Gotta love IT.
 
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beachbums624 said:
Sarah Palin ? LMAO ROFL . Oh my , the woman who cannot keep her own kids from getting KNOCKED UP ? Your Cristian VALUES are pretty much Fooked up . Gotta love IT.
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She's horrible, but how do you actually keep your kids from bumping uglies without supervision all the time?


I can't believe I'm defending her...
 
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VOLatile said:
She's horrible, but how do you actually keep your kids from bumping uglies without supervision all the time?


I can't believe I'm defending her...
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You're right though
Just because SP claims Christian values doesn't mean her kids do.
 
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Insunseri said:
War on Christmas imo.
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Christmas actually used to mean something, it actually used to be about Christ. The sad thing is that this country in it's efforts to "equalize" everything and make everybody happy it's slowly and effectively destroying it's meaning and killing Jesus and God in the process.
 
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