Abolish ICE Movement

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Didn't INS get a name change to ICE? Let's do that..

More than just the name has changed.

To be clear, the criminalization of immigrants long predates 9/11. Bill Clinton got the ball rolling after his senior adviser, Rahm Emanuel, urged him to wrest the crime issue from Republicans by "achiev[ing] record deportations of criminal aliens."

To do that, Clinton dusted off a 1988 law that—borrowing a page from the mandatory minimum sentences that were statutorily imposed on drug crimes in that decade—required the mandatory detention and "expedited removal" of criminal aliens without so much as a hearing or any consideration of circumstances.

Before that point, "criminal aliens" referred to immigrants, whether in the country legally or not, who had committed violent offenses or serious property crimes. But Clinton worked with Congress to pass two more laws—the Illegal Immigrant Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act and the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act—to vastly expand the definition of what counts as an "aggravated felony" for which an immigrant may be deported, and to apply it retroactively to crimes committed many years ago. Murder and rape were included, of course. But so were misdemeanors such as minor drug possession, driving under the influence, and illegal re-entry.

In effect, Clinton created a two-track justice system—one for immigrants and one for citizens.

All of this meant that when ICE was created, it already had sweeping legal powers to engage in mass deportations. Yet only under Barack Obama did it acquire the capacity to do so as well. Indeed, as Marisa Franco and Carlos Garcia put it in a 2016 article for The Nation, instead of "reversing" the deportation architecture he inherited, the 44th president "turbocharged it." According to Detention Watch Network, the annual detained population soared to 363,000 in 2010, a 500 percent increase since 1996. Thanks to ICE and its sister agencies, Uncle Sam now spends more on immigration enforcement than on the FBI, the Secret Service, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and all other federal criminal law enforcement agencies, combined.

On Obama's watch, Congress mandated the maintenance of 34,000 detention beds daily, which ICE has interpreted as a requirement to hold at least that many immigrants at all times. It also appropriated funds to create a sprawling nationwide complex of over 200 detention warehouses, contractually guaranteeing operators a minimum "lockup quota" payment to protect their bottom lines. Coupled with a lack of oversight and an erosion of due process rights for those in the agency's charge, this has resulted in abysmal living conditions and even abuse. An April Intercept investigation found 1,224 formal, documented complaints of sexual assault in ICE detention centers between 2010 and 2017, half of them by ICE agents themselves.

Obama apologists argue that the Republican-controlled Congress is to blame for these developments. But Obama actually expanded the Bush-era Secure Communities program, which enlisted municipal governments into the business of immigration enforcement by having them check the fingerprints of every person they detain against federal databases to determine if he or she is here legally. (Under Bush, just 14 counties were involved in the program; by 2014, it was active in some 3,181 jurisdictions.)

Obama eventually discontinued Secure Communities after complaints of widespread racial profiling and other problems. Trump has had no similar compunction. His threats to defund so-called sanctuary cities and target them with enforcement actions are calculated to pressure them to rejoin the program. He also restarted the notorious 287(g) program, which gives communities a financial incentive to assist federal immigration enforcement activity, effectively turning local police into ICE agents.

What's more, the 45th president is eroding institutional norms that used to temper how ICE agents deployed their awesome deportation powers and machinery. In a particularly disturbing recent development, Homeland Security, ICE's parent agency, has taken to separating kids from parents seeking refugee status at the border in order to deter families from trying to enter. According to a New York Times investigation, approximately 700 children have been handed over to shelters and given little to no access to their parents as their cases wend through the bureaucracy.

No previous administration has targeted immigrants in sensitive locations such as hospitals, but Trump's agents have gone after aliens in almost every conceivable venue, from schools in New Jersey and courthouses in New York to a surgery ward in Texas and just outside a church in Arizona. Hospitals in Los Angeles are now training their staffs to handle ICE raids just as they do active shooters and earthquakes. Medical professionals are preparing to form a three-layer human chain in an attempt to stop ICE from hauling away undocumented patients.

Whereas ICE used to limit enforcement actions to those falling within the "criminal alien" category, now anyone without proper documents or with a minor infraction on his record is fair game for deportation—even otherwise model residents who have lived in America for years and developed deep roots. A green card–holding Polish doctor and father of two who has been here for four decades is fighting deportation for a misdemeanor conviction he received in high school.
 
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Reason did a story on this 3 weeks ago. #limitinggovernmentisnotleftist

If you're interested in the history of ICE and why it's superfluous:

Abolish ICE - Reason.com

Good article. I agree with some of it but we need a Wall IMO and E-Verify and get rid of the Welfare State.

If we just got rid of the Welfare State, it would help a great deal. I know Reason supports that.
 
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...Whereas ICE used to limit enforcement actions to those falling within the "criminal alien" category, now anyone without proper documents or with a minor infraction on his record is fair game for deportation—even otherwise model residents who have lived in America for years and developed deep roots. A green card–holding Polish doctor and father of two who has been here for four decades is fighting deportation for a misdemeanor conviction he received in high school."...

Huff, I don't give a rats zss if they've got "deep roots".

If they are here criminally, catch them, try them, deport them.

I have an idea. After their trial (which should take about 5 minutes) in a tent with two doors, one in, one out to a bus to either the border they came in through, or an airport, they all get their jail time waived and get immediate deportation. That'll save some money.
 
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Huff, I don't give a rats zss if they've got "deep roots".

If they are here criminally, catch them, try them, deport them.

I have an idea. After their trial (which should take about 5 minutes) in a tent with two doors, one in, one out to a bus to either the border they came in through, or an airport, they all get their jail time waived and get immediate deportation. That'll save some money.
Where's your compassion?
 
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Need boots on the ground at the southern border. I don't care if it's ICE, the National Guard, Blackwater, and/or the Space Force. Whichever executes the mission effectively and efficiently.

Yeah, I don't care what you call it, just secure the bloody border.

But I don't think the Dems are helping their chances in the mid-terms with this "abolish ICE" business... just showing their true colors, and they ain't red, white & blue...
 
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This is a great example of fake news in a nutshell. Four liberal officials have brought this up, a group of nutters yelled at a woman eating dinner, and that constitutes “heating up” and “going mainstream”. To report this as news is clearly to misinform. It’s to make you think the issue has much more support that what reality would suggest, and you don’t want to get caught on the wrong side of history now do you? These are the same stories that claim “backlash” when someone does something and three people on Twitter hate it.
 
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Need boots on the ground at the southern border. I don't care if it's ICE, the National Guard, Blackwater, and/or the Space Force. Whichever executes the mission effectively and efficiently.

Exactly, but a big honkin' wall would be a cheap force multiplier, and we could just deduct the cost from the foreign aid to the LA countries it doesn't appear to be helping. If the places are the dumps that "refugees" claim, then our foreign aid must be going to the gangs and drug lords.
 
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CBP is already flying unarmed MQ-9 Reapers. They need more of them. They are a force multipler for the boots on the ground. More detects and more successful intercepts right at the border. And remeber if you catch them at the border during crossing you can send them right back!
 
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CBP is already flying unarmed MQ-9 Reapers. They need more of them. They are a force multipler for the boots on the ground. More detects and more successful intercepts right at the border. And remeber if you catch them at the border during crossing you can send them right back!

It's sporting, too. Catch and release on the Mexican side.
 
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