2018 NFL Offseason Thread

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#56
Luck...picking the right guy to be a franchise QB for a franchise without one since...Namath? Whichever.
 
#57
#57
Honestly, franchise QB's aren't all they are cracked up to be. The $ for QB's is stupid. I count at least 10 teams last year that didn't make the playoffs and had a franchise quarterback
 
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Best franchise in football has had it’s franchise QB in place for seventeen seasons (not counting his rookie season). When a non-franchise type is the WINNER in a Super Bowl, its an outlier. Always the best formula is to move heaven and earth to have that piece checked off.
 
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butchna said:
Best franchise in football has had it’s franchise QB in place for seventeen seasons (not counting his rookie season). When a non-franchise type is the WINNER in a Super Bowl, its an outlier. Always the best formula is to move heaven and earth to have that piece checked off.
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You're talking about the GOAT. He is the ultimate outlier. He was also taken in the 7th round.

Only 5 QB's have ever won the SB taking up over 10% of his team's cap.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about the GOAT. He is the ultimate outlier. He was also taken in the 7th round.

Only 5 QB's have ever won the SB taking up over 10% of his team's cap.
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Franchise QB is franchise QB. The outlier in Brady being a SIXTH round pick doesn’t negate that. Cowboys have nabbed theirs in the 16th round, 1st overall pick, UDFA and maybe now recently in the 4th round. My Bears (like the Jets) have whiffed in all aspects but maybe have netted one by merely trading up ONE spot. If it fails it’s still worth it because it’s the most important position in football.

Your cap theory is still too recent a development to be solid...and there’s STILL 5!
 
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butchna said:
Franchise QB is franchise QB. The outlier in Brady being a SIXTH round pick doesn’t negate that. Cowboys have nabbed theirs in the 16th round, 1st overall pick, UDFA and maybe now recently in the 4th round. My Bears (like the Jets) have whiffed in all aspects but maybe have netted one by merely trading up ONE spot. If it fails it’s still worth it because it’s the most important position in football.

Your cap theory is still too recent a development to be solid...and there’s STILL 5!
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5 is not a lot, considering the cap has existed 24 years.

Eli x 1
Peyton x 2
Steve Young x 1
Brady x 2
Brett Favre x 1

So that's 7 out of 24 years. Do you know how many QB's got paid more than 10% of the cap last year? 19. Do you know how many of them made the CCG? 1. Just 6 out of 12 playoff spots.

Out of all the great QB's in the league the last 24 years, a very elite few have been able to accomplish this. Drew Brees hasn't done it. Aaron Rodgers hasn't done it. Big Ben, Kurt Warner, Donovan McNabb, nope. Philip Rivers is so dangerous he can go out and win you any game, but he's made the playoffs once in the last 8 years.
 
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Who has won a SB without a franchise QB? In the last 20 years, it’s Foles, Dilfer, maybe Peyton in Denver, and that’s it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
5 is not a lot, considering the cap has existed 24 years.

Eli x 1
Peyton x 2
Steve Young x 1
Brady x 2
Brett Favre x 1

So that's 7 out of 24 years. Do you know how many QB's got paid more than y 10% of the cap last year? 19. Do you know how many of them made the CCG? 1. Just 6 out of 12 playoff spots.

Out of all the great QB's in the league the last 24 years, a very elite few have been able to accomplish this. Drew Brees hasn't done it. Aaron Rodgers hasn't done it. Big Ben, Kurt Warner, Donovan McNabb, nope. Philip Rivers is so dangerous he can go out and win you any game, but he's made the playoffs once in the last 8 years.
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Cap’s been there but ONE player occupying a major percentage of it hasn’t. Regardless this has nothing to do with the reality that building your team around a franchise QB is the soundest strategy. With the rookie salary structure an organization can vet whether they’ll invest that percentage of the cap. Hence RGIII giving way to Kirk Cousins from the same draft class. What a team does with it’s options is another matter. Back to the original subject before it forked into different subdirections, IF the Jets identify the right QB with that pick, it’s a small price for what was given up.
 
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Blake25p said:
Flacco a franchise QB? Could argue either way.
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He’s considered one. The standard for journeyman SB winners would be Trent Dilfer with Brad Johnson getting consideration. Put those stats up against Flacco’s and I notice a difference.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Who has won a SB without a franchise QB? In the last 20 years, it’s Foles, Dilfer, maybe Peyton in Denver, and that’s it.
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But they don't win when they get paid. It leaves you short of other assets. That's the problem. If you give up too much to draft a franchise quarterback, you end up with the same problem but you have no idea if the QB will work out. If the Jets draft a legit QB, they have 3 years to capitalize before he gets a $20m salary. If they traded 3 2nd round picks for him, They are hurting their chance to build a contender around him
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about the GOAT. He is the ultimate outlier. He was also taken in the 7th round.

Only 5 QB's have ever won the SB taking up over 10% of his team's cap.
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There’s a difference between having strength at a position that handles the ball every offensive play vs overpaying for that strength.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But they don't win when they get paid. It leaves you short of other assets. That's the problem. If you give up too much to draft a franchise quarterback, you end up with the same problem but you have no idea if the QB will work out. If the Jets draft a legit QB, they have 3 years to capitalize before he gets a $20m salary. If they traded 3 2nd round picks for him, They are hurting their chance to build a contender around him
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I feel the best way is to hit on a QB and take advantage of that while he is on his rookie deal. Because once he gets his second contract he’s gonna get paid because once you get an above average to elite guy at that position you have to keep him.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
There’s a difference between having strength at a position that handles the ball every offensive play vs overpaying for that strength.
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You definitely want to have a good QB. That is the most important single piece, but that single piece has a short window of opportunity before you have to overpay for it.

Like Blake is saying, you need win your SB before the franchise QB's big contract opportunity comes up.

So the point is yes you want a franchise QB, but if you trade away your draft to get it, it's going to be really hard to strike while the iron is hot. The smart thing that the Eagles did is they gave up 3 picks over 3 years (and they moved up 6 spots in what was essentially 2-QB draft). Only one of them was a top 50 pick and the 2nd round pick they gave up will be the 64th pick of this draft. The Jets gave up what will likely be 3 top 50 picks in 2 years.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But they don't win when they get paid. It leaves you short of other assets. That's the problem. If you give up too much to draft a franchise quarterback, you end up with the same problem but you have no idea if the QB will work out. If the Jets draft a legit QB, they have 3 years to capitalize before he gets a $20m salary. If they traded 3 2nd round picks for him, They are hurting their chance to build a contender around him
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One of the picks was the result of a trade. It’s not a Ricky Williams trade by any stretch. And that one didn’t gut the franchise. He left for practically nothing in return...the Saints signed a FRANCHISE QB and they won a Super Bowl.
 
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butchna said:
Eli didn’t do much outside of the two Super Bowl wins. Bet they feel it’s worth the dollar amount.
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I already covered Eli. He is an exception to the rule.

butchna said:
One of the picks was the result of a trade. It’s not a Ricky Williams trade by any stretch. And that one didn’t gut the franchise. He left for practically nothing in return...the Saints signed a FRANCHISE QB and they won a Super Bowl.
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It's still an asset you're giving up.

Drew Brees was making $10M when he won the SB. He hasn't won since. Has he even been to the NFCCG? What do you think I'm arguing?
 
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n_huffhines said:
I already covered Eli. He is an exception to the rule.



It's still an asset you're giving up.

Drew Brees was making $10M when he won the SB. He hasn't won since. Has he even been to the NFCCG? What do you think I'm arguing?
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Not really sure. If it rhymes with “Go cheap and a franchise QB falls in your lap”, imma gonna disagree. If it rhymes with “franchise QB’s don’t matter”...ditto.
 
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