So it's obvious. We still haven't attracted a top coach.

#51
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TylerFlip said:
lol dude in the real world this type of stuff doesn't matter. This is the most redneck point of view ever
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I mean you say that, but then you find out that the head official for our game was supposed to be a UT grad so they moved him to a different game
 
#53
#53
arkyvol said:
We haven't had an A.D. since Dickey who gets his phone calls returned from the kind of coaches anybody wants. I'll admit that Hart is smarter than Hamilton. That's the good news. The bad news is that being smarter than Mike Hamilton doesn't get him out of the imbecile range.
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Disagree after reading Jones' contract. :no:
 
#54
#54
VegasVol said:
Because this job combines high expectations with high obstacles to meeting those expectations. TV contracts and modern college football allow a lot of programs to offer competitive contracts, so our edge there is minimal, and even if it were more, it would be a high-risk job for the smart candidate. Here is why:

1. The number 1 factor in winning is talent better than your schedule;
2. The number 1 factor in recruiting talent is a local talent base with loyalty to your football brand;
3. 9 of our competitors in the SEC have better local talent bases than we do, including Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Miss. State, and 2 are close/comparable in Arkansas & Missouri;
4. This means that if we hire a coach as good as those programs, we should still lose 5 to 6 games each year, due to their built-in local talent base competitive advantage;
5. Our program fired a coach who had, for only the 2nd time in his 16+ year career, lost 6 games in a season, a coach who was a HOF local who had appeared in the SEC title game the year before and won a national title for the program, a fan base who believes we should be "SEC title or bust" in our expectations, should beat our much-more-local-talent rivals Florida, Alabama and Georgia each year, and find 8-win-a-season contracts a "joke."

Given that the modern SEC features good coaches throughout, a coach to meet UT fan expectations would have to achieve what no coach has achieved anywhere -- out-recruit good recruiters for their local talent and out-coach more talented teams on a consistent, exceptional basis. That is why only an idiot (or a big-hat-and-no-cattle kind of coach, exactly the kind we have hired 3 times in a row when the better coaches all turned us down) would ever jump to take the Tennessee job. Fan delusions about the reality of where we stand in the college football landscape (lack-of-local-talent-base in a brutal-SEC-schedule with fans expecting titles-or-bust) is why we are here.
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You could get any head coach to eat dog sh!t right off the grass if you paid him enough money. This situation is ALL about money.

Alabama, after a decade of losing, backed up the dump truck of cash to Nick Saban's house and said "you WILL be our head coach. How much do you need?"

Alabama gets the recruits, not because the state of Alabama has so much more talent, but because they have a coach who knows how to win and a fan base that EXPECTS nothing less.

What SEC program's fans dont have the expectation to win every year? Maybe Vandy? That's it.

This isnt about team history, its not about crazy fans, its not about how much talent is in the state. Tennessee has pulled great players from all over the country. Its about money.
 
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VolnJC said:
Where is this lots of cash that you speak of our revenues are 107 million and expenses are 106 million..remember football pays for all other sports except mens bball, We also had to cancel some projects because of lack of money

Here is the full list
NCAA | Finances | USA TODAY Sports
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I also see we have a larger athletic budget than Georgia, , Florida State, Michigan State, UCLA, Ole Miss, Clemson, Mississippi State to name a few schools that are having more success than us right now.
 
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#57
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rocketskates said:
Too damn broke to shell out the big coin. Can't get a big time coach on the cheap, but you get what you pay for.
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Long run it would be cheaper to pay 5-6 million a year instead of all these buyouts. If you buy a crappy reject tv at Bigs Lots for $179.00 and Sears got a nice Samsung for $499.00. The Samsung TV will probably get more years, quality and features with the Samsung. The Big Lots TV will have no good features, quality of sound and pictures is below average and TV will probably last 2 years while Samsung will last 8-10 years. Please Tennessee next time lets don't get a Big Lots quality type Head Coach and staff.
 
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#59
Very simply put UT has never been willing to pay top money for a coach and it rarely does so don't expect it to happen anytime soon.
 
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VegasVol said:
Because this job combines high expectations with high obstacles to meeting those expectations. TV contracts and modern college football allow a lot of programs to offer competitive contracts, so our edge there is minimal, and even if it were more, it would be a high-risk job for the smart candidate. Here is why:

1. The number 1 factor in winning is talent better than your schedule;
2. The number 1 factor in recruiting talent is a local talent base with loyalty to your football brand;
3. 9 of our competitors in the SEC have better local talent bases than we do, including Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Miss. State, and 2 are close/comparable in Arkansas & Missouri;
4. This means that if we hire a coach as good as those programs, we should still lose 5 to 6 games each year, due to their built-in local talent base competitive advantage;
5. Our program fired a coach who had, for only the 2nd time in his 16+ year career, lost 6 games in a season, a coach who was a HOF local who had appeared in the SEC title game the year before and won a national title for the program, a fan base who believes we should be "SEC title or bust" in our expectations, should beat our much-more-local-talent rivals Florida, Alabama and Georgia each year, and find 8-win-a-season contracts a "joke."

Given that the modern SEC features good coaches throughout, a coach to meet UT fan expectations would have to achieve what no coach has achieved anywhere -- out-recruit good recruiters for their local talent and out-coach more talented teams on a consistent, exceptional basis. That is why only an idiot (or a big-hat-and-no-cattle kind of coach, exactly the kind we have hired 3 times in a row when the better coaches all turned us down) would ever jump to take the Tennessee job. Fan delusions about the reality of where we stand in the college football landscape (lack-of-local-talent-base in a brutal-SEC-schedule with fans expecting titles-or-bust) is why we are here.
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I would take beating Georgia and UF in the same year.
 
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#62
Then the fans need to start a riot. We don't have to take this. A least try to make a decent effort.
 
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#63
volberry said:
We are freagin UT!!!! We are a historic program with lots of cash. Is there still a reason why no good coaches come here? They all pass up on us. I want the truth!!!
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I'm going to address your post by sentence:

First.) The University of Tennessee football program hasn't done anything significant in 10 years. That means recruits were in elementary school when we were at least playing for SEC championships.

Second.) History doesn't mean anything now. Recruits only care about what you've done lately. They do not care that were won a national title almost 20 years ago. And we don't have as much cash as you think. We are still able to raise donation money but clearly the AD doesn't think we need to spend top dollar on a coach.

Third.) This fanbase is as fickle, impatient and unreasonably demanding as any in the country. Just look at some of the threads on this site. People have no concept where our program was and what it takes to get to where we want to be. 2 recruiting classes doesn't do the trick over night. Yes, coaching has been less than stellar and has cost us 2 games this young season. That hurts. I was mad. I still am frustrated. But I'm not about to fire a guy 1/3 of the way into year 3. That's just reactionary, anti-productive nonsense and it would set this program back even further than it was. People like to write off what is said on this board as just fans conversing about something they love. And I have no doubt that people on this board love UT and are extremely passionate. But recruits pay attention, other fan bases pay attention and the media pays attention to the pulse of the fanbase. Why do you think The Times Free Press, KNS and the Tennessean pay beat reporters that only cover UT? It's their job to report on the state of the program and what the fans think. Who would want to coach for a program like ours? For a fanbase like ours? Some guys wouldn't do it for Nick Saban money because they don't want the headache. And I don't blame them.
 
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#66
Butch Jones is Bernie Madoff. Great salesman with no actual product.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Very simply put UT has never been willing to pay top money for a coach and it rarely does so don't expect it to happen anytime soon.
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UT has hired one big name coach with championships.
John Majors, who would have probably crawled here and worked for peanuts just to be the Volunteer Coach.
 
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#69
The best living UT coach who won the NC and is in HOF is available right now.
The university should apologize to him and hire him back right away - either as HC or AD.
 
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#70
After what was done to Fulmer, UT has little respect within the coaching community. It will serve as a "project" for those attempting to bridge into a major program for the forseeable future.
 
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MedicT said:
After what was done to Fulmer, UT has little respect within the coaching community. It will serve as a "project" for those attempting to bridge into a major program for the forseeable future.
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So why were Brian Kelly and Gary Patterson ready to accept the job a month after "what was done to Fulmer?" Why was Kevin Sumlin ready to accept the job a year later?
 
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#74
The "lack of local talent" is changing. We got both Barnette and Hurd from Nashville area, quickly becoming a large pool of talent as the area grows.
 
#75
#75
This top tier coach BS pops up all the time. I'd like someone to list some "top tier" coaches..... Then describe just how they'd lure them to Knoxville.
 
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