Zimmerman Trial

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FLVOL_79 said:
SO..back to the Zimmerman trial. Is it just me or does it appear that the Prosecution's witness list reflect an absolutely futile attempt to create a prosecution out of absolutely nothing? I mean it's like a special ed talent show up there.
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If you throw everything out there, maybe the criticsm won't be as bad when you lose.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Oh no, I have in no way under estimated your narcissism. But that's the kicker, it is your narcissism. I dare say no one else's opine of you could hold a candle to your opine of yourself. You are the pure definition of a troll.
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That's sort of an inherent quality of, you know, narcissism.

DinkinFlicka said:
It's funny because back when I first started spouting off on VN people thought I was a fat basement dweller.

Joke's on them. I'm a devastatingly handsome, rugged, tan dude with bltchin' hair.
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Let's not get carried away.

82_VOL_83 said:
SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Dink is just getting started.
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Still not as clever as yours truly.
 
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Judge Nelson is throwing the State another bone.

Martin's older brother was asked about the voice on the 911 call. Said "I didn't want to believe it was him." Defense asked to play the tape of a media interview he gave where he said "I couldn't be sure if it was him." Defense claims impeachment. Judge Nelson says his answer didn't fundamentally change, so no impeachment. Defense cannot enter that interview into evidence.
 
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#879
They could recall him in their case and ask him "Have you ever made the statement that you could not be sure it was him?" If he says yes, fine. If he says no, they can play the tape. Although there are rules about impeaching your own witness, she might allow that.
 
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bamawriter said:
Judge Nelson is throwing the State another bone.

Martin's older brother was asked about the voice on the 911 call. Said "I didn't want to believe it was him." Defense asked to play the tape of a media interview he gave where he said "I couldn't be sure if it was him." Defense claims impeachment. Judge Nelson says his answer didn't fundamentally change, so no impeachment. Defense cannot enter that interview into evidence.
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The brother did say the same thing in the interview as he did in his testimony. Judge made correct ruling.
 
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bamawriter said:
Judge Nelson is throwing the State another bone.

Martin's older brother was asked about the voice on the 911 call. Said "I didn't want to believe it was him." Defense asked to play the tape of a media interview he gave where he said "I couldn't be sure if it was him." Defense claims impeachment. Judge Nelson says his answer didn't fundamentally change, so no impeachment. Defense cannot enter that interview into evidence.
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This judge is clearly trying to influence the trial in the favor of the prosecution. Hopefully the jury can sort through the BS.
 
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Gramps said:
The brother did say the same thing in the interview as he did in his testimony. Judge made correct ruling.
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It didn't sound quite the same to me. "Didn't want to believe it was him" indicates that it was Martin's voice, but the brother couldn't bring himself to accept it. "Couldn't be sure it was him" is much more open-ended.
 
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Didn't a voice analyst declare that there is no way of knowing who's voice it is? All these q's to his brother and mom are just ridiculous.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Didn't a voice analyst declare that there is no way of knowing who's voice it is? All these q's to his brother and mom are just ridiculous.
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It's an emotional appeal to the jury. "Of course his family would know his voice."

It's a Hail Mary for the State. They have to try something. And you never can tell what a jury will do.
 
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tumscalcium said:
That's my question too. The mother and brother are able to claim it was Trayvon based in emotion? That's admissible? GTFO.
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The rules of evidence are bit looser than you think they are. There is logic in the assumption that a mother would know her child's voice.

Not saying I think she's right. But there is nothing wrong with her testimony.
 
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notabed22 said:
I still will be beyond shocked if George walks.
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You haven't be paying attention to the trial.

He certainly could be found guilty. Juries are weird. But there's no way you could be following this trial and think the odds of a conviction are good.
 
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bamawriter said:
The rules of evidence are bit looser than you think they are. There is logic in the assumption that a mother would know her child's voice.

Not saying I think she's right. But there is nothing wrong with her testimony.
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Zimmerman's mom can be asked the same thing. It's a wash. You'd hope the jurors can see through the bs.
 
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#892
I have only caught bits and pieces of this trial... Did Trayvon have any injuries on his body? (Besides the gunshot wound obviously)
 
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Just because you do not believe them capable of distinguishing the voice, and just because some have testified that they could not scientifically do so, does not render the opinions of the family members inadmissible. It just means that the defense has a really good argument along the lines that you cannot convict George Zimmerman of Second Degree Murder based on the family's obviously very emotional desire for TM to have been the victim.

Is the State calling the father on the issue? There was some controversy about that, as I recall, with the police saying that the father had told them it was not TM's voice, but then the Martin family claiming that was not true, that he did not say that and did think it was him.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Zimmerman's mom can be asked the same thing. It's a wash. You'd hope the jurors can see through the bs.
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Oh sure. If I were the defense, I'd put Zimmerman's wife or some other family member on the stand to say that he was the one screaming for help on the tape. That testimony is just as admissable as Martin's mom and brother.
 
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#900
West just got his notes that the ME was reading from this entire time. ME didn't want to give them to him. This is pure gold.
 
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