Zero 4* and Zero 5* players

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VolsFanRJ

VolsFanRJ

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No, I'm not talking about the Vols. I'm talking about Boise State. I know the feeling is if we are going to have a chance to upset Oregon next year, it will probably come down to Justin Wilcox and his defensive mind.

I realize they play in the WAC, but what they were able to do against Oregon and TCU last year defensively with 2 and 3 star players was impressive. I consider Oregon and TCU two very good offensive teams.

Anyways, I looked at Boise States recruiting classes for 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and was surprised. They signed 0 - 5 star players, 0 - 4 star players, 26 - 3 star, and 62 - 2 star players. I know Tennessee's roster is down right now, but I also know we have more talented players than what Boise had. This really gets me excited to see what Wilcox will bring to the table for the Vols defensively. Thoughts?
 
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He's young and appears to be an up and coming coach. The job he does at Tennessee will play a huge part in his writing his role as a defensive mind and coach.
 
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VolFromNashville said:
Thread title got me. I thought this would be yet another "the sky is falling recruiting thread"
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Yeah, I figured it might. I was going to put Boise St. in the title but didn't want it to get kicked to the NCAA Forum since it is about Wilcox and what I think he will do at UT with more talented players. No, the sky isn't falling. lol... I'm fine with what players we have committed this year. I think CDD and staff are doing a good job and recruiting solid players.
 
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I'm excited about Wilcox and thought that it was a great hire....it'll definitely be interesting to see what he's able to do with our defense, I can't wait for the season to start!
 
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Nice job on the tread topic. Definitely got me.

But I'm with you. Wilcox is going to prove to be a great hire I believe.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
No, I'm not talking about the Vols. I'm talking about Boise State. I know the feeling is if we are going to have a chance to upset Oregon next year, it will probably come down to Justin Wilcox and his defensive mind.

I realize they play in the WAC, but what they were able to do against Oregon and TCU last year defensively with 2 and 3 star players was impressive. I consider Oregon and TCU two very good offensive teams.

Anyways, I looked at Boise States recruiting classes for 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and was surprised. They signed 0 - 5 star players, 0 - 4 star players, 26 - 3 star, and 62 - 2 star players. I know Tennessee's roster is down right now, but I also know we have more talented players than what Boise had. This really gets me excited to see what Wilcox will bring to the table for the Vols defensively. Thoughts?
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lol after reading the title i was like "F*&#ing moron.." but i agree with your post. You see what most people don't see......:rock:
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
No, I'm not talking about the Vols. I'm talking about Boise State. I know the feeling is if we are going to have a chance to upset Oregon next year, it will probably come down to Justin Wilcox and his defensive mind.

I realize they play in the WAC, but what they were able to do against Oregon and TCU last year defensively with 2 and 3 star players was impressive. I consider Oregon and TCU two very good offensive teams.

Anyways, I looked at Boise States recruiting classes for 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and was surprised. They signed 0 - 5 star players, 0 - 4 star players, 26 - 3 star, and 62 - 2 star players. I know Tennessee's roster is down right now, but I also know we have more talented players than what Boise had. This really gets me excited to see what Wilcox will bring to the table for the Vols defensively. Thoughts?
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Great point which has been made in the past. The only thing to remember is the players on UT's roster was not recruited for Wilcox's schemes. I would assume the players on Boise's roster were recruited to fit the defensive schemes at Boise.

I still have high hopes, but having the same or slightly better star ratio as what Wilcox had when at Boise doesn't necessarily translate to equal success on the field. It all depends on how good Wilcox can modify his scheme to the talent on the roster for the early years.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
No, I'm not talking about the Vols. I'm talking about Boise State. I know the feeling is if we are going to have a chance to upset Oregon next year, it will probably come down to Justin Wilcox and his defensive mind.

I realize they play in the WAC, but what they were able to do against Oregon and TCU last year defensively with 2 and 3 star players was impressive. I consider Oregon and TCU two very good offensive teams.

Anyways, I looked at Boise States recruiting classes for 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and was surprised. They signed 0 - 5 star players, 0 - 4 star players, 26 - 3 star, and 62 - 2 star players. I know Tennessee's roster is down right now, but I also know we have more talented players than what Boise had. This really gets me excited to see what Wilcox will bring to the table for the Vols defensively. Thoughts?
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Although I agree with you, most people think that 4-5 star recruits are the only outlet to success. I am excited about everyone we have gotten so far, minus Power, but I think he was just a tool for Dooley to get Williams.

Wilcox will prove to be an amazing coach in near future once he grows into our program, but he had been at BSU at least as long as the most of the players he was coaching last year. That really helps in terms of your schemes because you know everybody's strengths and weaknesses. I do think he will do well with our team this year, but I look more toward the future with him. Once he knows the guys on our defense a little better then watch out.
 
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Anyone who doubts Wilcox can coach, either didn't see BS beat what was considered far superior teams in recent years, or else they saw it and are just too stupid to believe what they saw with their own eyes.
 
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BJSforVols said:
Great point which has been made in the past. The only thing to remember is the players on UT's roster was not recruited for Wilcox's schemes. I would assume the players on Boise's roster were recruited to fit the defensive schemes at Boise.

I still have high hopes, but having the same or slightly better star ratio as what Wilcox had when at Boise doesn't necessarily translate to equal success on the field. It all depends on how good Wilcox can modify his scheme to the talent on the roster for the early years.
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lol, guess we were thinking the same thing.
 
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they didnt play against that many 4* and 5* players either.
orgeon has 0 5*
roughly 20 4*
Thats there biggest win
 
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I think our Defensive staff is very underrated by a lot of Vol fans, at least when comparing it to last year.

I think Wilcox will be a very good DC, Thompson has already proven he can recruit and coach, and Chuck Smith....I think we can all agree is already a great line coach but potentially could be an elite recruiter when its all said and done.
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VolsFanRJ said:
Yeah, I figured it might. I was going to put Boise St. in the title but didn't want it to get kicked to the NCAA Forum since it is about Wilcox and what I think he will do at UT with more talented players. No, the sky isn't falling. lol... I'm fine with what players we have committed this year. I think CDD and staff are doing a good job and recruiting solid players.
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I agree with you man. I am most excited about Wilcox. That man has seen many different offenses with Boise St. Also, Lance's eye for talent and Justin's coaching ability could really pay off for us in the future. (I hope so atleast)
 
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velovol said:
they didnt play against that many 4* and 5* players either.
orgeon has 0 5*
roughly 20 4*
Thats there biggest win
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Um, do you remember a team called the Sooners? They beat them too. In fact, they've beaten just about everybody they've played.
 
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Wilcox also was with that team for 5 years. Teaching them every step of the way. Recruiting the type of players HE wanted.

ALSO, Oregon was thier 1st game. They had 8 months to game plan for that game.

I think we have the opportunity and I hope we can win, however, by that game time, he'll only have 9 months of employment at UT, and he would have recruited zero players for his type of defense.
 
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velovol said:
they didnt play against that many 4* and 5* players either.
orgeon has 0 5*
roughly 20 4*
Thats there biggest win
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Their win over Oklahoma with the statue of liberty play 6-7 years ago was a bigger win (concede that it was several years back). And I realize that Wilcox was prolly not DC at the time, but I'd be willing to bet that OU had better recruiting rankings by at least 40 positions, maybe 50+ year in and year out over Boise. Oregon is prolly 20-30 positions better in recruiting on average.

Sure that's been a while, but those guys have consistently been very good with 60th or lower ranked recruiting classes many years. If I'm coaching a football team and recognize that there's a team out there that's consistently doing more with less, I'd like to know how. (Might even be tempted to try to hire their DC.) So the overall point of the thread seems very valid to me.

Now, if I've got more athletes than they do to start with and find a way to emulate their advantages then I might just end up with something good.

On the other hand, according to the logic of some people here, it is literally impossible for a team with Boise's recruiting history to beat Oregon. Ever.
 
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velovol said:
they didnt play against that many 4* and 5* players either.
orgeon has 0 5*
roughly 20 4*
Thats there biggest win
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That point would hold merit if he were about to coach Boise's players against Alabama and Florida. Against UT's rivals, the relative talent gap will be the same or even more favorable to Wilcox. If this team has problems they won't stem from the defensive coordinator.
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I still don't get this argument. 95% of their wins are over teams every team in the SEC could beat. They have a few big wins, but do you think they could honestly hang with teams like that on a regular basis?
 
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chavisut said:
I still don't get this argument. 95% of their wins are over teams every team in the SEC could beat. They have a few big wins, but do you think they could honestly hang with teams like that on a regular basis?
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Nobody knows this answer for sure. But in the games they have played against top talent they have won. Leads me to believe they probably would be pretty good. Would they win the SEC though ... hell no. But they'd be an upper Big 10 team or ACC team and they'd be atleast a bowl team in the Pac-10 and might always finish 3rd or 2nd in that conference.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
I realize they play in the WAC, but what they were able to do against Oregon and TCU last year defensively with 2 and 3 star players was impressive.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Oregon hasn't really been a hot-bed of talent themselves, and TCU is in Texas country...

Oregon's best recruiting class of late was in 2007 when Rivals ranked them #11. Since, they've been ranked in the 20's and 30's. In 2006, they were ranked #49.

If it does come down to scheming, I think Wilcox can shut them down for a second straight year. But how will we fare against their D?
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
No, I'm not talking about the Vols. I'm talking about Boise State. I know the feeling is if we are going to have a chance to upset Oregon next year, it will probably come down to Justin Wilcox and his defensive mind.

I realize they play in the WAC, but what they were able to do against Oregon and TCU last year defensively with 2 and 3 star players was impressive. I consider Oregon and TCU two very good offensive teams.

Anyways, I looked at Boise States recruiting classes for 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and was surprised. They signed 0 - 5 star players, 0 - 4 star players, 26 - 3 star, and 62 - 2 star players. I know Tennessee's roster is down right now, but I also know we have more talented players than what Boise had. This really gets me excited to see what Wilcox will bring to the table for the Vols defensively. Thoughts?
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Wonder how many 4 and 5 stars TCU has?
 
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