Your top reasons our coaches are failing

#27
#27
BigPapaVol said:
my alma mater was a hardcore wishbone / broken bone, triple option outfit while I was there. Led the nation in rushing every year, kept opposing defenses off the field and had decent results for the talent level.

Since then, they went pro set and throwing, with underwhelming talent, to some awful results. In fact, we played Johnson's crew every year and he handed our hats to us in record breaking streak fashion.

We needed him and Navy got him.
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The beauty of that offensive scheme is that there's almost no learning curve. Rich Rodriguez wishes he had that luxury, but it'll be at least another year or two before Michigan comes close to being respectable. Georgia Tech is looking like a possible conference champion, and I think they'd stand a good chance at actually winning their bowl game.
 
#28
#28
1) the offense can't score
2) the OC can't develop a QB
3) the OC doesn't play the best RB
4) the OC doesn't call a good game
5) did I mention the Offense can't score
 
#30
#30
BIGVOLDADDY said:
1. Fulmer cannot connect to the players the way he did in the 90's.

2. Vanilla play calling (this hurts to watch).

3. Horrific DB and defensive coordinator. You cannot play prevent every time you get ahead.

4. New offensive coordinator. He wasn't as great as people expected him to be coming from a lower division of football.
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You know, if they were gonna get an OC from a D 1-AA team, why didn't they go after Appy St. head coach? At least get a winner for goodness sake.
 
#31
#31
I think a big part of the problem is that the team has gotten worse since Dan4Vols changed his avatar and hasn't told anyone who it is.
 
#32
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Ohio Vol said:
I'm just going to start posting this link everywhere I see "outdated offense" and "predictable playcalling".

YouTube - Eric Crouch Highlights

(Notice the adjustment made at around 3:25 and the defensive adjustment, and then you will understand why I love this offense)

YouTube - Georgia Tech Football - The Duke Game

(And now you'll know why hiring Paul Johnson compelled me to buy a GT hat and declare them my second-favorite, taking over that spot from "whoever plays Ohio State")
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My thoughts exactly. Some moron actually had the audacity to laugh at me for saying I would love for UT to have CPJ.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
My thoughts exactly. Some moron actually had the audacity to laugh at me for saying I would love for UT to have CPJ.
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the option ain't gonna win in the SEC. It's the reason Bryant finally abandoned it, as did OSU and Nebraska. Defensive speed and safety tackling hurt badly.
 
#34
#34
LadyinOrange said:
1. The #1 reason we lose is because other teams are just better coached than us.
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fyp


Do you honestly think UCLA and Auburn are better teams than us; and NIU is as close to us in talent as the score indicated?
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#36
#36
BigPapaVol said:
LIO ain't gonna like that fix.
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I know. I am still trying to understand her connection to the guy (i.e., wife, daughter, assistant, childhood sweetheart, etc..)

There must be something to make her overlook the years of futility and the mess this year.
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
the option ain't gonna win in the SEC. It's the reason Bryant finally abandoned it, as did OSU and Nebraska. Defensive speed and safety tackling hurt badly.
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It's all about the personnel BPV. When NEB played us w/ Eric Crouch, they killed us. GT imo has the personnel for PJs offense already, don't be surprised if they give UGA a run for their money, or even win.
 
#40
#40
BigPapaVol said:
the option ain't gonna win in the SEC. It's the reason Bryant finally abandoned it, as did OSU and Nebraska. Defensive speed and safety tackling hurt badly.
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Let me call Florida and tell them to fire their option-loving head coach.

OSU (assuming Ohio State) abandoned it because Woody Hayes was fired and Earle Bruce wanted to bring a "modern" look. John Cooper continued that. And what do you know....23 years between the two of them and no national championships.

Nebraska abandoned it because they fired 10-win Frank Solich after a bunch of pushy boosters convinced the AD that they needed to "modernize" to a "pro" offense that wasn't "predictable". They brought in Bill Callahan, and look what that unpredictable pro modern offense brought them. Right now, Frank Solich is practically a deity compared to Callahan in Nebraska.

And I need to only look at two bowl games in three years to see what Nebraska's offense did to two of the best teams UT has ever had.
 
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#41
Ohio Vol said:
Let me call Florida and tell them to fire their option-loving head coach.

his has a throw with every option, which isn't old school wishbone.

 OSU (assuming Ohio State) abandoned it because Woody Hayes was fired and Earle Bruce wanted to bring a "modern" look. John Cooper continued that. And what do you know....23 years between the two of them and no national championships.

Nebraska abandoned it because they fired 10-win Frank Solich after a bunch of pushy boosters convinced the AD that they needed to "modernize" to a "pro" offense that wasn't "predictable". They brought in Bill Callahan, and look what that unpredictable pro modern offense brought them. Right now, Frank Solich is practically a deity compared to Callahan in Nebraska.

And I need to only look at two bowl games in three years to see what Nebraska's offense did to two of the best teams UT has ever had.
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See bold above and below.

Nebraska had their best team ever outfit (Turner Gill's crew) have their wishbone handed to them by Jimmy Johnson's big underdog Miami crew. In fact, if not for a couple trick plays and shenanigans, they would have gotten killed.

Bear Bryant typically lined up the best teams in the SEC and had his lunch handed to him regularly before finally abandoning.
 
#42
#42
BigPapaVol said:
See bold above and below.

Nebraska had their best team ever outfit (Turner Gill's crew) have their wishbone handed to them by Jimmy Johnson's big underdog Miami crew. In fact, if not for a couple trick plays and shenanigans, they would have gotten killed.

Bear Bryant typically lined up the best teams in the SEC and had his lunch handed to him regularly before finally abandoning.
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Where to begin....

Nebraska's best-ever team was 1995, which culminated in a 62-24 thumping of probably Spurrier's best team ever.

Second, Nebraska under Devaney and then Osborne ran the I-formation almost exclusively. Oklahoma ran the wishbone.

Third, one single game doesn't determine the viability of a system, particularly a game 24 years ago in vastly different circumstances.

Fourth, the run:pass ratio in the option doesn't really mean much of anything. West Virginia ran the option a ton under Rodriguez; does their base alignment and formation family change that basic fact?

Fifth, AIR FORCE nearly knocked off UT a couple years ago by running the option nonstop. Navy had over 40 wins the last five years running the option with the least talent in Division 1 (1-A and 1-AA both); they could have faced Maine and been outmatched in talent.
 
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#43
#43
6. Once all of the great players left the program, primarily to the NFL, the coaching ineffectiveness/ineptness began to rear it's ugly head.
 
#44
#44
Ohio Vol said:
Where to begin....

Nebraska's best-ever team was 1995, which culminated in a 62-24 thumping of probably Spurrier's best team ever.

not at the point they played Miami and had Turner Gill's arse handed tot hem.

Second, Nebraska under Devaney and then Osborne ran the I-formation almost exclusively. Oklahoma ran the wishbone.

Forget the formation, I'm talking about optioning the the DT or DE on almost every play.

Third, one single game doesn't determine the viability of a system, particularly a game 24 years ago in vastly different circumstances.

No doubt, but one helluva lot of programs have scrapped the option because they could no longer win with it. The guys that cannot stretch the field can no longer win because of the athleticism now on the defensive side of the ball. Meyer's offense stretches the field and keeps safeties honest. Switzer and Osborne did not.

Fourth, the run:pass ratio in the option doesn't really mean much of anything.

said nothing about that.

Fifth, AIR FORCE nearly knocked off UT a couple years ago by running the option nonstop. Navy had over 40 wins the last five years running the option with the least talent in Division 1 (1-A and 1-AA both); they could have faced Maine and been outmatched in talent.
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Air Force was playing against Chavis and his famously deep safeties. Safeties are the key to killing the triple option. Navy did not have the least talent in D1, not even close. They were far more talented than half of the teams that Johnson beat. It's not like they're routinely out there playing teams better than Maine.
 
#45
#45
BigPapaVol said:
not at the point they played Miami and had Turner Gill's arse handed tot hem.
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Better than '71? Of course, that featured that I-formation smoking the SEC's finest.

Forget the formation, I'm talking about optioning the the DT or DE on almost every play.
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Which Nebraska really didn't do. Their first read was normally an outside backer, and depending on alignment could check off to the cornerback. That and the fact they ran a double option most of the time, with the fullback carries normally coming on trap.


No doubt, but one helluva lot of programs have scrapped the option because they could no longer win with it. The guys that cannot stretch the field can no longer win because of the athleticism now on the defensive side of the ball. Meyer's offense stretches the field and keeps safeties honest. Switzer and Osborne did not.
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Like Texas with Vince Young? Ohio State with Troy Smith? Florida with Tebow? Immediately before that, Utah with Alex Smith and Bowling Green with Omar Jacobs? West Virginia with Pat White?

As for why teams no longer the option with a quarterback under center, it's because everyone got on this "modernization" kick. If a team that ran the option couldn't excel, it had nothing to do with talent...it had do with a "boring, predictable, obsolete offense". Face it, boosters rule the college football universe; most of them have no idea what makes a successful team, but if there's one thing they hate it's something that isn't a clone of what they watch on Sundays.

Air Force was playing against Chavis and his famously deep safeties. Safeties are the key to killing the triple option. Navy did not have the least talent in D1, not even close. They were far more talented than half of the teams that Johnson beat. It's not like they're routinely out there playing teams better than Maine.
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Using safeties to kill the triple option is also what gets a defense killed. If the safeties start walking up and getting aggressive, it creates one-on-one matchups on the outside. A quick play action gives the receiver three or four steps on the cornerback, particularly since they'll just get to an open area of the field (about where the safeties would be).

If you can't stop a double or triple option with eight or fewer men, you are going to lose.
 
#46
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Very difficult to recruit a QB that can run the option AND throw it to those receivers that are covered one-on-one on the deep route. Bottom line, as I've said before, not one of the top teams in the SEC would trade players with us. We have some great athletes, but not a team full of playmakers that "bleed orange"...and that is not based on developing players or the coaching thereof. WR are not fast enough to get seperation without scheme (and we've had players open because of scheme), cannot control the line of scrimmage (although our DL has been holding its own), and no evidence of press coverage by CB in crucial situations (where is that aggressive attitude?). We need some strategic recruiting of players that have ability and heart, and patience. I know people are going to blast this and refer to coaching, maybe true to some extent, but we don't have the same talent and its not all due to scheme and coaching. We have a long route back to the top, and I'm afraid that could take longer with irrational actions from those in control. Patience is a virtue, but Vol fans will not wait forever.
 
#49
#49
VolDad said:
fyp


Do you honestly think UCLA and Auburn are better teams than us; and NIU is as close to us in talent as the score indicated?
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Yes, I do. One poorly played game could be called a fluke, but this far into the season a good football team would have already worked out the kinks and be clicking on all cylinders. We do NOT have a good football team. We have one or two good players, but our team as a whole just doesn't have it.
 
#50
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LadyinOrange said:
Yes, I do. One poorly played game could be called a fluke, but this far into the season a good football team would have already worked out the kinks and be clicking on all cylinders. We do NOT have a good football team. We have one or two good players, but our team as a whole just doesn't have it.
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Your right LIO. The situation could be better if they used their personnel right, but i won't get into it. We lack the talent up front on both lines to dominate anymore. We have too outcoach and scheme to win. Your seeing how thats going. Yeah were thin on talent as hard as it is for some to admit.
 
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