You Suck as a Volunteers Fan...

[jimallvol]

But who are you to tell anyone how they should act as a fan? It's your opinion and nothing else. I don't feel uncomfortable about the way I feel or act as a fan. What I am reacting to is some pompous person on a message board preaching to people he knows nothing about, about something he only qualifies in his own head.

You can scour this forum and you will never find a single post where I have advocated that CBJ be fired at this time. And honestly the ones that have I simply chock up to them being an emotional passionate fan that is showing frustration.

Do I think CBJ has a major coaching deficiency on game day that could manifest into a fatal flaw? Yes Do I think he can overcome it and become the coach we all want? Maybe. But I can say with certainty that all the top ten recruiting classes, the depth building etc will be for nothing if he can't coach on game day. I mean you would agree that winning is the goal, right? And no we can't afford a coach that is on a learning curve. You can't build a program on losses.

Now if that makes me a bad fan in you're eyes, you can kiss it. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it.

Right on bro! I feel the same way. I can't figure out why others on here think they have the right to tell others how they should be.

 

[indian rick]

Well there is one thing i can say about this coaching staff, they have not given up 62 points to Florida like some other coaching staff i know of. And that staff had way better teams. Just saying.

 

[HoptownVol]

LOL thats funny OP.

 

[DonDiego]

...if you cry for coaching changes during the season.

I can hear the whining now. "Oh, you're saying we're not fans if we're critical of the coach, of the players, of the program, we're not allowed to be objective / honest / straight then, huh?"

No, that's not it at all. Your critical reasoning skills can remain intact. You just gotta know when to zip it. You gotta know that there are appropriate times, and inappropriate times, for your little fan-meltdowns. Put simply: you are expected to support your program when it is in the middle of the campaign. That's all.

There is PLENTY of time to talk about firing people and what players "suck" and who can't call plays worth a damn and who can't throw in the eight months of each year that football is not being played.

But when we're in the middle of the campaign, where there are only 6 days -- 144 hours -- between efforts, when every second and every spark of energy is at its greatest possible value, that is NOT the time to take a pause to rant about fahring the coach because you're smarter than him.

Look, here's how it works, or how it should work: come the first day of the season, we're all in. This is our coach, this is his staff of assistant coaches, and these are our 100 or so players. Let's play. And then we support them, through thick and thin, all the way through. Save the rancor for later, these are OUR guys (I mean the coaches, too). These guys are bleeding orange for us and our university and our state. So we're theirs in return, as long as the season lasts.

So put your belly aches on hold, or jot them down in notes to yourself to remember later, come January, come the long off-season. Come winter and spring, we can wallow in recrimination, we can insult and dissect, we can eviscerate and excoriate to our evil little hearts' content. The long, endless off-season is tailor-made for that kind of doubt and destruction.

During the season, be true fans of the Volunteers...be fanatic about them...support them through the thick AND the thin, through the ups AND the downs. Or go support some other team, if you can't do that. I hear Alabama's fan base welcomes this kind of knife-in-the-back "fandom."

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos. Have at me, flame away.

But deep down inside, those of you who rant the most, you know I'm right. This note makes you uncomfortable for a reason.

Learn how to be a better fan of the Vols, or go somewhere else.

That's how I see it.

You get a big ol' like out of me on this. Additionally, I'd say hold it until the end of next year. Everybody said this year will be touch and go. and eight wins would be great. Let's see how that goes. Next year was supposed to be the big year, right?

 

[JC61]

How long do you think Auburn will keep him if he continues this trend? They demand wins. They fired a guy who won a NC two years earlier.

Now they've given Malzahn the money to hire what was thought to be a sure fire DC... My bet is that neither guy is tied to a long rope.

rope is probably not too long...but half the knuckleheads on here were in love with the guy 1/2 a year ago

 

[KBVol]

Well there is one thing i can say about this coaching staff, they have not given up 62 points to Florida like some other coaching staff i know of. And that staff had way better teams. Just saying.

And this staff hasn't won 75% of its games at UT and a Natl Title, like some other coaching staff I know of. And I agree, that other staff (Fulmer's) had way better teams. Just saying.

 

[JC61]

In a world where minimum wage is 15 dollars and hour in places of course he gets 70 likes.

Hooray average!

says the guy who is a Gus Malzaln enthusiast and doesn't think this seat is getting warm

 

[JC61]

When you make the money CBJ makes, the fan base has an inarguable right to expect more. Bad execution 2 or 3 times in basic situations is on the players. Repeated poor execution is on the coaches. Continued poor play calling is coaching. Poor clock management is coaching. We aren't paying a UC salary but, 3 years in, were are still getting it.

Now, having said that, the two losses were blown leads not blow outs. I think the talent on the field is growing by leaps and bounds. What will be a shame is returning to what we had with Philmer. Where the team on the field had to try to win in spite of him.

Bottom line, my wife and my families have put enough kids through UT and bought enough season tickets that if I want to ***** on a message board I will.

well...can't totally disagree with you on much of this...but I still think it boils down to quality depth and a better OL as much as coaching. If you want to put that on the coaches....then ok...say it that way. One or two poor play call is as bad as one or two blown assignments, coverage, caught ball, etc. There is no single point of failure yet...it's on the whole team, which includes coaching to varying degrees.

 

[JC61]

Yeah it's usually the supporter of Butch that accuse other of wanting that, or getting in one the first page of a thread and say Fire the Coach without even mentioning the blue font. After the sarcastic comment people run with it. I pointed it out a few days back when someone did precisely that.

I also haven't heard anyone say they want the team to lose, so that to me is support the team if we indeed want them to win.

As far as player criticism goes, if people are then shame on them. But this is Merica, and a forum, it's bound to happen unfortunely. To me when a player doesn't perform well it's the coaches fault. Call me crazy but that's part of their jobs. Player development and putting players in the position to succeed is right on up there with game management.

I can overlook a few mistakes a coach makes here and there, but not a continual problem. Again I hope he figures it out, but it doesn't look promising. And I refuse to sit back and be blind to it. This is a forum, a place to discuss. So whether you agree with a poster or not doesn't mean this isn't the place for it.

yep...your avatar says it all...quite the humble, behind the coach and team fella you are

 

[GahLee]

...if you cry for coaching changes during the season.

I can hear the whining now. "Oh, you're saying we're not fans if we're critical of the coach, of the players, of the program, we're not allowed to be objective / honest / straight then, huh?"

No, that's not it at all. Your critical reasoning skills can remain intact. You just gotta know when to zip it. You gotta know that there are appropriate times, and inappropriate times, for your little fan-meltdowns. Put simply: you are expected to support your program when it is in the middle of the campaign. That's all.

There is PLENTY of time to talk about firing people and what players "suck" and who can't call plays worth a damn and who can't throw in the eight months of each year that football is not being played.

But when we're in the middle of the campaign, where there are only 6 days -- 144 hours -- between efforts, when every second and every spark of energy is at its greatest possible value, that is NOT the time to take a pause to rant about fahring the coach because you're smarter than him.

Look, here's how it works, or how it should work: come the first day of the season, we're all in. This is our coach, this is his staff of assistant coaches, and these are our 100 or so players. Let's play. And then we support them, through thick and thin, all the way through. Save the rancor for later, these are OUR guys (I mean the coaches, too). These guys are bleeding orange for us and our university and our state. So we're theirs in return, as long as the season lasts.

So put your belly aches on hold, or jot them down in notes to yourself to remember later, come January, come the long off-season. Come winter and spring, we can wallow in recrimination, we can insult and dissect, we can eviscerate and excoriate to our evil little hearts' content. The long, endless off-season is tailor-made for that kind of doubt and destruction.

During the season, be true fans of the Volunteers...be fanatic about them...support them through the thick AND the thin, through the ups AND the downs. Or go support some other team, if you can't do that. I hear Alabama's fan base welcomes this kind of knife-in-the-back "fandom."

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos. Have at me, flame away.

But deep down inside, those of you who rant the most, you know I'm right. This note makes you uncomfortable for a reason.

Learn how to be a better fan of the Vols, or go somewhere else.

That's how I see it.

Pulling the "true fan" card, nice. According to you, the only way to be a "true fan" is to be a blind loyalist who will willing support mediocrity. Bravo.

Who are you to tell anyone how to feel about anything? If I think Butch Jones is a clown of a coach and feel like expressing it, that's exactly what I'm going to do. It doesn't make me any less a fan of Tennessee than the guy who waves his flag in support of Jones.

We should wait until after the season is over to evaluate him on his performance? That, at best, is completely ignorant. When you're in the position that he is in, which is one of uncertainty, it becomes week to week and very fluid. We watched HIM lose the game against Oklahoma, then against all odds, HE repeated the same moronic mistakes against Florida, except this time he doubled down on ignorance and outdid himself in coaching malpractice.

But hey, he's got goons like you to carry his water and spout his slogans proudly. #brickbybrick #critical #eyesonthighs

I want Tennessee to be great, he can't do that, so he needs to go. There are schools that would kill for decent recruiting and 8 wins annually. He can do that. We aren't one of those schools, that should be the floor, the ceiling is something he can't fathom and I'm going to talk about it now, not after this season turns into a real circus.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

There are quite a few who just don't get it. For them, here's the key phrase: hold it until the off-season.

There are others who do get it, and it upsets them. Good, that's step one. Step two is to stop blaming me, or others, for pointing out that you've been a miserable fan, and figure out how to change your habits. Learning loyalty is hard, like learning any other core value. But it can be done.

For the majority, thanks for being you. Tennessee has the greatest fan base in the country, because of folks like you. Go Vols!

 

[TGVol]

CBJ is making the change Cartervol,we fans tend to forget he is on a learning curve from where he was at to the SEC

You are confused - since when is the HC job at Tennessee supposed to be on the job training?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

You are confused - since when is the HC job at Tennessee supposed to be on the job training?

No sir, you are confused. There is no job in the world worth having that does not involve growth and development while performing it. The President of the US learns and gets better as he goes along (many former presidents have commented on this, it is well documented). Brain surgeons and rocket scientists grow and develop on the job. One definition of "profession" is a job or set of duties where professional growth and development are expected throughout the person's life time.

So why on earth would coaches, even top tier college coaches, not?

 

[musolfmj]

Can we get a dislike button?

I have asked for this before. It wouldn't eliminate the tedious, repetitive jaw flapping of some, but it might diminish it.

 

[TGVol]

So why on earth would coaches, even top tier college coaches, not?

Some smart coaches do learn from their mistakes and are able to put their ego aside. It's just that Butch has not shown that tendency at all. Let me give you an example. Saban who is one of the most successful college coaches of all time is known to typically prefer strong running game over too much passing but recently put his ego aside and hired Kiffin and let him run the offense because he realized his own blind spot was the offense which needed to be changed (losing to Malzahn did that). Butch on the other hand replaced one of his yes man OC's with another one who is unlikely to challenge him at all. Butch actually went as far as openly saying he did not want to shake things up which is why he picked Debord. That is NOT and indication he is learning from his mistakes.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Some smart coaches do learn from their mistakes and are able to put their ego aside. It's just that Butch has not shown that tendency at all.

Well, comparing one coaching hire of Butch's with one coaching hire of Saban's is not likely to tell us anything about whether Butch is learning and growing as a coach, but ok. Let's look at that.

Saban didn't hire Kiffin as OC until he'd already been coach for 7 years. To measure Butch by this particular yardstick, he still has 4 years to go.

Furthermore, no one a year ago believed that Butch needed to "shake things up." Looked like he had the team headed in just the right direction, and only needed time and more talent to get us to the promised land. The message was "keep doing what you're doing, we're going the right way." By that measure, he made the sensible hire: the guy who wouldn't reinvent the offense, take us back to square one.

Some here wanted a flashy OC hire, just like they wanted a flashy HC hire when we got Butch, just like they want flashy Christmas presents. Flash doesn't always == best, or even good.

Now, is Butch really learning, professionally growing and developing as a coach? Some, sure, it'd be impossible to not learn anything at all. But is he learning quickly enough, broadly enough, to get us back to championship football before patience runs out with him?

Too early to tell. Now that the pieces to win are in place (more or less), we can compare results year on year. After this season, we'll have a good catalog of his imperfections (some in VN think they know all of them already, but more will be revealed, along with more strengths). Then next season, we'll be able to see if many of those imperfections have been fixed. If so, he's learning and getting better on the job.

Time will tell.

 

[SobeVol]

There are quite a few who just don't get it. For them, here's the key phrase: hold it until the off-season.

There are others who do get it, and it upsets them. Good, that's step one. Step two is to stop blaming me, or others, for pointing out that you've been a miserable fan, and figure out how to change your habits. Learning loyalty is hard, like learning any other core value. But it can be done.

For the majority, thanks for being you. Tennessee has the greatest fan base in the country, because of folks like you. Go Vols!

You have your head so far up jones- do see in polyps in there?
Go stroke your ego in private

 

[volfan2024]

Most the time I post I just mess around . Reality is fans who have followed the Vols for years and supported them good or bad for years and years have earned the right to have their own opinion. I liked and supported Butch a lot at the beginning but somehow he has lost his way. If a CEO messes up you think they keep him around? The Arkansas game this weekend may seal his fate bar a win over Georgia or Bama.

 

[jakez4ut]

criticism is warranted and fair.

but he's not getting fired this year. i'm 99% positive he'll be here thru next year no matter what...

option A is for this staff to figure it out and start winning.

option B.....we'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it......

 

[BeecherVol]

There are quite a few who just don't get it. For them, here's the key phrase: hold it until the off-season.

Not really.

I don't see anyone withholding praise when they see positives (nor should they) until the off-season.

You can observe and make opinions based on the beginning up til the present (good or bad) during a season or an entire career at a school. His fate is determined by what you are talking about which is a culmination of his entire tenure.

I would imagine if UT were sitting 4-0 (with 2 convincing wins over OU and UF) and ranked in the top 15, the mood would be substantially different. I doubt those full on board with Jones would be telling anyone to hold off until the off-season.

 

[TGVol]

Saban didn't hire Kiffin as OC until he'd already been coach for 7 years. To measure Butch by this particular yardstick, he still has 4 years to go.

You are delusional if you think Butch has 4 years of credit at this point to go through learning curve or iterations of self discovery or whatever. Saban has been highly successful in W-L column for a long time everywhere he's been and especially at Bama - that's why he has been there for 7 years in the first place - because he won multiple NC's there including one at LSU. Butch does not have any type of credit like that built up since he has only once beat a top 25 team in his entire career. He really needs to win this year - it's as simple as that. At this point probably needs to beat all the usual suspects plus at least two of UGA, Bama, and Mizzou.

 

[UT_King]

Choke by choke.

 

[Volsick]

You are delusional if you think Butch has 4 years of credit at this point to go through learning curve or iterations of self discovery or whatever. Saban has been highly successful in W-L column for a long time everywhere he's been and especially at Bama - that's why he has been there for 7 years in the first place - because he won multiple NC's there including one at LSU. Butch does not have any type of credit like that built up since he has only once beat a top 25 team in his entire career. He really needs to win this year - it's as simple as that. At this point probably needs to beat all the usual suspects plus at least two of UGA, Bama, and Mizzou.

It didn't take Saban long to start winning Championships at all. That's why Bama wrote him a blank check. To win games. Not only does winning games amp up the boosters, but look at how the local economy has grown since 2007 in Tuscaloosa.

Read this article and see why the argument that the money isn't there makes no sense. It doesn't take a genius to realize an investment opportunity when you see one.

Forbes Welcome

 

[IBAVOL]

I am in front or right beside this guy. I believe as fans we all want TENNESSEE to be mentioned nationally like they are Top 20 team. They are getting there just be patient and let Coach Jones do his work....
Peace Out!!!!

 

[VonVol]

There are quite a few who just don't get it. For them, here's the key phrase: hold it until the off-season.

There are others who do get it, and it upsets them. Good, that's step one. Step two is to stop blaming me, or others, for pointing out that you've been a miserable fan, and figure out how to change your habits. Learning loyalty is hard, like learning any other core value. But it can be done.

For the majority, thanks for being you. Tennessee has the greatest fan base in the country, because of folks like you. Go Vols!

Wow. I don't even necessarily disagree with you. But you're so smug and pompous, I can't make myself totally agree with you either.