You Suck as a Volunteers Fan...

[knucklehead_vol]

I was listening to Swain this am and he said that people are tweeting the players telling them they suck and so forth. That's just crazy. If you want to tell the player he sucks go to the game or volwalk, call him over and be a man and say it to his face.

I do not think fans or anyone else should say anything to a player to their face or on social media. Unfortunately the knuckle draggers are out there.

Now on this board I will say whatever I feel about the coaching staff. It's a message board and I donate money to the school. So excuse my entitlement to my Alma Mater...where I was a valid dictorian (for those who remember that).

 

[sjt18]

The only way I would want Jones to be fired during the season is if some completely unexpected scandal was exposed.

In fact, I don't want him to be fired at all. But I see either his termination or the program's decline in the very near future if he does not improve. So if my ever so small contribution to the chorus of fans and media members complaining about his game management, lack of confidence in the players, and mistakes ends up causing him to do some serious self-reflection about whether he needs to change to compete in the SEC... then I'll be happy.

The disappointing thing is when he says things like there's no difference between coaching in a lower conference and in the SEC. His struggles in big games serve as proof positive that there is a difference when you face the best of college coaches every week.

 

[sjt18]

There is no excuse whatsoever for directly attacking a player through social media.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Op...how has Butch done in his career thus far at ut in big games? Has he literally blown every single lead we've ever gained by going conservative too soon? Serious question

Tish, tish, we Vol fans can't expect to win a game because of superior coaching. We are expected to lose unless we accumulate 4 consecutive top 5 recruiting classes, 20 senior starters, massive depth, better talent across the board than the opponent. Once these tasks are accomplished by the staff we can EXPECT a victory against top SEC teams, not before.

 

[footballdad51413]

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is so true!!!!!!

As a parent of a current player it's refreshing to see your post JP. If more of the majority would speak out the minority will fade. Don't let labeling you a sunshine pumper or whatever discourage you. Remember you are behind a fake internet name just like they are. Why do you think they say what they say. If the minority are telling their own kids or future kids they suck, wish you was someone else, you can't do anything right, ect..... What chance of success do you think those kids will have in life? They are very few in number but the numbers are growing and only you can stop them from being heard!

Yes some of it is comical, when they know so little yet talk as if they are coaching or playing the game themselves, so you have to take that for what it is but a few do go way over the line and that can not be acceptable, no matter if the poster is a teenager or an adult acting 13. IMO

To the minority:
I laughed when someone posted a topic about what a parent supposedly said and every one that believed it to be true started bashing the parents of players. It like a bandwagon comes by and people just want to jump on for the ride not knowing where it's been or where it's going. FYI parents don't care about your opinions either and that's why I'm posting when you ask that question. Lol just like OP I can predict your response too.

This program is going forward. We weren't close before but now we are and in the future ( when IDK ) we will start winning. If we stay at close for a reasonable amount of time then I would wonder about the program. We have come a long way in 2 1/4 seasons. IMO. GBO!!!!!

 

[oregonvol]

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos.

Why would anyone who was simply "a fan of their own ego" waste their time following a program that has been nothing but a joke for the past 8 years?

 

[PPPpartsp3]

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is so true!!!!!!

As a parent of a current player it's refreshing to see your post JP. If more of the majority would speak out the minority will fade. Don't let labeling you a sunshine pumper or whatever discourage you. Remember you are behind a fake internet name just like they are. Why do you think they say what they say. If the minority are telling their own kids or future kids they suck, wish you was someone else, you can't do anything right, ect..... What chance of success do you think those kids will have in life? They are very few in number but the numbers are growing and only you can stop them from being heard!

Yes some of it is comical, when they know so little yet talk as if they are coaching or playing the game themselves, so you have to take that for what it is but a few do go way over line and that can not be acceptable, no matter if the poster is a teenager or an adult acting 13. IMO

To the minority:
I laughed when someone posted a topic about what a parent supposedly said and every one that believed it to be true started bashing the parents of players. It like a bandwagon comes by and people just want to jump on for the ride not knowing where it's been or where it's going. FYI parents don't care about your options either and that's why I'm posting when you ask that question. Lol just like OP I can predict your response too.

This program is going forward. We weren't close before but now we are and in the future ( when IDK ) we will start winning. If we stay at close for a reasonable amount of time then I would wonder about the program. We have come along way in 2 1/4 seasons. GBO!!!!!

Anyone that tells players they suck are losers. Telling coaches who are getting paid millions that they suck, while they spit stupid cliches and screw up games, is fair.

Also, I am not sure UT has come a long way yet, as so far the record in this 2 1/4 years is the same as the last 2 1/4 years, and the SEC East is far easier now.

 

[PPPpartsp3]

CBJ is making the change Cartervol,we fans tend to forget he is on a learning curve from where he was at to the SEC

and a great post JP :clapping:

He said it himself, in the press conference on Monday, that coaching in the SEC is no different. So what is he "learning" exactly?

 

[SmokinBob]

...if you cry for coaching changes during the season.

I can hear the whining now. "Oh, you're saying we're not fans if we're critical of the coach, of the players, of the program, we're not allowed to be objective / honest / straight then, huh?"

No, that's not it at all. Your critical reasoning skills can remain intact. You just gotta know when to zip it. You gotta know that there are appropriate times, and inappropriate times, for your little fan-meltdowns. Put simply: you are expected to support your program when it is in the middle of the campaign. That's all.

There is PLENTY of time to talk about firing people and what players "suck" and who can't call plays worth a damn and who can't throw in the eight months of each year that football is not being played.

But when we're in the middle of the campaign, where there are only 6 days -- 144 hours -- between efforts, when every second and every spark of energy is at its greatest possible value, that is NOT the time to take a pause to rant about fahring the coach because you're smarter than him.

Look, here's how it works, or how it should work: come the first day of the season, we're all in. This is our coach, this is his staff of assistant coaches, and these are our 100 or so players. Let's play. And then we support them, through thick and thin, all the way through. Save the rancor for later, these are OUR guys (I mean the coaches, too). These guys are bleeding orange for us and our university and our state. So we're theirs in return, as long as the season lasts.

So put your belly aches on hold, or jot them down in notes to yourself to remember later, come January, come the long off-season. Come winter and spring, we can wallow in recrimination, we can insult and dissect, we can eviscerate and excoriate to our evil little hearts' content. The long, endless off-season is tailor-made for that kind of doubt and destruction.

During the season, be true fans of the Volunteers...be fanatic about them...support them through the thick AND the thin, through the ups AND the downs. Or go support some other team, if you can't do that. I hear Alabama's fan base welcomes this kind of knife-in-the-back "fandom."

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos. Have at me, flame away.

But deep down inside, those of you who rant the most, you know I'm right. This note makes you uncomfortable for a reason.

Learn how to be a better fan of the Vols, or go somewhere else.

That's how I see it.

That's how I see it as well!

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

UT - the only football program where stability is favored over achievement

We've lacked both for years. If we fired Jones tomorrow, what coach in their right mind, with any sort of credentials or experience would accept the job that has eaten multiple new coaches alive in 3 years or less in the past decade.


Long term, Jones may not be the answer, but as long as he's at least doing one of two things, winning or bringing in elite talent, he will get more time. Absolute worst case scenario if he's only doing the latter, he's stocking us with serious talent for whomever replaces him.

 

[JohnWardForever]

...if you cry for coaching changes during the season.

I can hear the whining now. "Oh, you're saying we're not fans if we're critical of the coach, of the players, of the program, we're not allowed to be objective / honest / straight then, huh?"

No, that's not it at all. Your critical reasoning skills can remain intact. You just gotta know when to zip it. You gotta know that there are appropriate times, and inappropriate times, for your little fan-meltdowns. Put simply: you are expected to support your program when it is in the middle of the campaign. That's all.

There is PLENTY of time to talk about firing people and what players "suck" and who can't call plays worth a damn and who can't throw in the eight months of each year that football is not being played.

But when we're in the middle of the campaign, where there are only 6 days -- 144 hours -- between efforts, when every second and every spark of energy is at its greatest possible value, that is NOT the time to take a pause to rant about fahring the coach because you're smarter than him.

Look, here's how it works, or how it should work: come the first day of the season, we're all in. This is our coach, this is his staff of assistant coaches, and these are our 100 or so players. Let's play. And then we support them, through thick and thin, all the way through. Save the rancor for later, these are OUR guys (I mean the coaches, too). These guys are bleeding orange for us and our university and our state. So we're theirs in return, as long as the season lasts.

So put your belly aches on hold, or jot them down in notes to yourself to remember later, come January, come the long off-season. Come winter and spring, we can wallow in recrimination, we can insult and dissect, we can eviscerate and excoriate to our evil little hearts' content. The long, endless off-season is tailor-made for that kind of doubt and destruction.

During the season, be true fans of the Volunteers...be fanatic about them...support them through the thick AND the thin, through the ups AND the downs. Or go support some other team, if you can't do that. I hear Alabama's fan base welcomes this kind of knife-in-the-back "fandom."

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos. Have at me, flame away.

But deep down inside, those of you who rant the most, you know I'm right. This note makes you uncomfortable for a reason.

Learn how to be a better fan of the Vols, or go somewhere else.

That's how I see it.

Don't tell me what to do. I've been at this MUCH LONGER that you. FOOTBALL IS year round for some here. ps: That was hard to read. Flow flow flow.

 

[PPPpartsp3]

As one of those fans who lived through it, I know. I know. I feel it in my bones, too. But that's not an excuse for bad fandom.

Thank you, oh judge of proper fandom, for advising on how true fans act. The irony of your ego comments are not lost on me.

 

[OWB]

Why would anyone who was simply "a fan of their own ego" waste their time following a program that has been nothing but a joke for the past 8 years?

Some people enjoy being miserable. There are some posters who only show up after a loss to complain and be negative.

 

[PPPpartsp3]

Butch isn't going anywhere. Anyone that thinks he is needs to come to that reality.

The ones going off the deep-end are the ones that called anyone with a "wait and see" attitude a nega-vol, or told them to go cheer for _____________.

I think most of the frustration comes from the fact that both OU & UF were won. We just had to wait for the clock to hit 0:00. It wasn't like losses in the past where we were blown out (Bama, OU, Ole Miss, Oregon) or just came up short in a comeback effort (UGA).

There are many positive things going on with the program. UT just needs to complete the circle and win the games. The good news is in the SEC there are plenty of chances left (Ark, UGA, Bama, USC, Mizzou) to get some quality wins.

ARK, USC, Mizzou? Quality?
Is this like calling the Taxslayer.com bowl win, a "Bowl Championship" like Jones did yesterday?

 

[ManchesterV]

I'll admit I went into full meltdown mode during/after the game. Called for the whole staff to be canned instantly, but after having a few days to cool down, I know and knew then too, that that would be a mistake. Just frustrated over two loses that could've easily been wins. Did we have players in position to win? Sure. But being 17 and 13 points going into the 4th quarter they should'nt have been forced to be in those positions. I feel our coaches failed the players and fans in both of those games. And should be called out/questioned on it. That doesn't mean I want them fired.

You make good points. The part about being frustrated.... If we are this frustrated and this pissed, imagine how the players and coaches, who invest their lives in this, feel. We should be building them up, not tearing them down. Sometimes we have to do the opposite of every natural instinct.

 

[JohnWardForever]

It's easy to bandwagon.

 

[fade route]

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is so true!!!!!!

As a parent of a current player it's refreshing to see your post JP. If more of the majority would speak out the minority will fade. Don't let labeling you a sunshine pumper or whatever discourage you. Remember you are behind a fake internet name just like they are. Why do you think they say what they say. If the minority are telling their own kids or future kids they suck, wish you was someone else, you can't do anything right, ect..... What chance of success do you think those kids will have in life? They are very few in number but the numbers are growing and only you can stop them from being heard!

Yes some of it is comical, when they know so little yet talk as if they are coaching or playing the game themselves, so you have to take that for what it is but a few do go way over line and that can not be acceptable, no matter if the poster is a teenager or an adult acting 13. IMO

To the minority:
I laughed when someone posted a topic about what a parent supposedly said and every one that believed it to be true started bashing the parents of players. It like a bandwagon comes by and people just want to jump on for the ride not knowing where it's been or where it's going. FYI parents don't care about your options either and that's why I'm posting when you ask that question. Lol just like OP I can predict your response too.

This program is going forward. We weren't close before but now we are and in the future ( when IDK ) we will start winning. If we stay at close for a reasonable amount of time then I would wonder about the program. We have come along way in 2 1/4 seasons. GBO!!!!!

Tweeting insults to any of our players is unacceptable and ridiculous. However, the adult in charge of those players who is making millions to win football games is fair game.

 

[McDad]

Tweeting insults to any of our players is unacceptable and ridiculous. However, the adult in charge of those players who is making millions to win football games is fair game.

Tweeting insults to the coach is fair game?

 

[fade route]

Tweeting insults to the coach is fair game?

No that's not what I meant. I just meant criticism of Butch is fair. Most know my stance on twitter, that's its a stupid waste of time.

 

[sjt18]

It's easy to bandwagon.

Not to bandwagon for the last 10 years though... right?

 

[YankeeVol]

Calling for a change right now is just blowing smoke. Being critical of the coaching is more than OK. I think you can look at the UF loss and see that coaching lost that game. []Being critical of the coaches doesn't mean you are not on board or not a fan[/B].

It amazes me people can't understand this.


Never mind, I'm not that amazed by it.

 

[YankeeVol]

It's easy to bandwagon.

I don't think we have any bandwagon fans left. It's like the little red wagon. The back seat is broke and the axle is dragging.

 

[WesternKyVol]

I guess it will be the negavols' fault if we lose on Saturday, huh OP?

 

[McDad]

No that's not what I meant. I just meant criticism of Butch is fair. Most know my stance on twitter, that's its a stupid waste of time.

Agreed. Thanks for the clarity.

 

[jenkins76]

...if you cry for coaching changes during the season.

I can hear the whining now. "Oh, you're saying we're not fans if we're critical of the coach, of the players, of the program, we're not allowed to be objective / honest / straight then, huh?"

No, that's not it at all. Your critical reasoning skills can remain intact. You just gotta know when to zip it. You gotta know that there are appropriate times, and inappropriate times, for your little fan-meltdowns. Put simply: you are expected to support your program when it is in the middle of the campaign. That's all.

There is PLENTY of time to talk about firing people and what players "suck" and who can't call plays worth a damn and who can't throw in the eight months of each year that football is not being played.

But when we're in the middle of the campaign, where there are only 6 days -- 144 hours -- between efforts, when every second and every spark of energy is at its greatest possible value, that is NOT the time to take a pause to rant about fahring the coach because you're smarter than him.

Look, here's how it works, or how it should work: come the first day of the season, we're all in. This is our coach, this is his staff of assistant coaches, and these are our 100 or so players. Let's play. And then we support them, through thick and thin, all the way through. Save the rancor for later, these are OUR guys (I mean the coaches, too). These guys are bleeding orange for us and our university and our state. So we're theirs in return, as long as the season lasts.

So put your belly aches on hold, or jot them down in notes to yourself to remember later, come January, come the long off-season. Come winter and spring, we can wallow in recrimination, we can insult and dissect, we can eviscerate and excoriate to our evil little hearts' content. The long, endless off-season is tailor-made for that kind of doubt and destruction.

During the season, be true fans of the Volunteers...be fanatic about them...support them through the thick AND the thin, through the ups AND the downs. Or go support some other team, if you can't do that. I hear Alabama's fan base welcomes this kind of knife-in-the-back "fandom."

There you go, there's an easy target for you 40% of VolNation who really aren't Tennessee fans, but are instead fans of yourselves and your own egos. Have at me, flame away.

But deep down inside, those of you who rant the most, you know I'm right. This note makes you uncomfortable for a reason.

Learn how to be a better fan of the Vols, or go somewhere else.

That's how I see it.

Huge pile of crap. Coaches don't get terminated if the stadium doesn't empty. All this "support everything no matter what" stuff just begs for another year. Butts in the seats are approval of mediocrity.