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While we waste away the hours until the decision to release Dooley and hire Bill Belichek is announced, here is your opportunity to play AD. Strictly on a financial basis alone, what would you do?

Here are a few facts, based on publicly available info:

Current Financial Picture
The current finances of the university are apparently pretty shaky. For last year, expenses outstripped revenues by $4M and debt servicing went up due to construction and etc. [absolute negative]

Buyout of Staff
If the entire football staff is fired at season's end, it would cost up to a potential 9.3M. What is unclear as to whether the buyout is chargeable to the budget over time (as the UT Sports article suggests) or if the buyouts are paid in full upfront to an escrow account and charged to the current year. If the latter is true, the $9.3M would be charged upfront to the dept and paid over time. Thus, the monthly payouts are insignificant. Of course, the payouts could also be as low as $5.6M if the asst coaches find jobs. [negative]

Ticket Revenues and Team Payouts
There are 7 home games this year instead of the 8 from last year. This is no doubt due to the Chick-Fil-A game in August. On an average basis, it looks like attendance will be down this year, unless we average 96.2K for Troy, Missouri, and UK (which I personally don't expect). The Chick-Fil-A game was projected to pay us $4.1M, which is likely better than the net from a home game). In addition, it allows the UTAD to pay only $2.125M to visiting teams (compared to $3.1M last year). [leaning negative]
**Note: Clearly, an increase in ticket sales would help, but it is unclear whether fans would return in droves for next year if the team is in another rebuilding period. Winning seasons sure help.

Impending increase in SEC contributions
According to a source, the amount UT receives from the SEC office is expected to rise by $10M-15M, starting in 2014. This is a huge sum, and it may provide the leverage to change staffs, but it does not kick in until 2 yrs from now. [positive]

Unknowns
* Impending lawsuits by female employees of the AD [likely negative]
* Amount boosters are willing to kick in (I assume Hart would know this by now) [wash]
* Amount we'd have to pay the new staff (but I'd certainly guess "higher").
* Change in ticket revenues (likely "higher" as well, but who knows?)
* Other stuff that we don't know that we don't know yet (catchall)

Leaving your heart (Hart?) out of the picture, what would you do?

(a) keep Dooley for one more year, although his payout is still $5M after next season. The staff payouts would be lower, though.
(b) fire him now, triggering an increase of perhaps $1M in coaching salaries (guess) and $5-9M in payouts.
(c) something else?
 
#3
#3
While we waste away the hours until the decision to release Dooley and hire Bill Belichek is announced, here is your opportunity to play AD. Strictly on a financial basis alone, what would you do?

Here are a few facts, based on publicly available info:

Current Financial Picture
The current finances of the university are apparently pretty shaky. For last year, expenses outstripped revenues by $4M and debt servicing went up due to construction and etc. [absolute negative]

Buyout of Staff
If the entire football staff is fired at season's end, it would cost up to a potential 9.3M. What is unclear as to whether the buyout is chargeable to the budget over time (as the UT Sports article suggests) or if the buyouts are paid in full upfront to an escrow account and charged to the current year. If the latter is true, the $9.3M would be charged upfront to the dept and paid over time. Thus, the monthly payouts are insignificant. Of course, the payouts could also be as low as $5.6M if the asst coaches find jobs. [negative]

Ticket Revenues and Team Payouts
There are 7 home games this year instead of the 8 from last year. This is no doubt due to the Chick-Fil-A game in August. On an average basis, it looks like attendance will be down this year, unless we average 96.2K for Troy, Missouri, and UK (which I personally don't expect). The Chick-Fil-A game was projected to pay us $4.1M, which is likely better than the net from a home game). In addition, it allows the UTAD to pay only $2.125M to visiting teams (compared to $3.1M last year). [leaning negative]
**Note: Clearly, an increase in ticket sales would help, but it is unclear whether fans would return in droves for next year if the team is in another rebuilding period. Winning seasons sure help.

Impending increase in SEC contributions
According to a source, the amount UT receives from the SEC office is expected to rise by $10M-15M, starting in 2014. This is a huge sum, and it may provide the leverage to change staffs, but it does not kick in until 2 yrs from now. [positive]

Unknowns
* Impending lawsuits by female employees of the AD [likely negative]
* Amount boosters are willing to kick in (I assume Hart would know this by now) [wash]
* Amount we'd have to pay the new staff (but I'd certainly guess "higher").
* Change in ticket revenues (likely "higher" as well, but who knows?)
* Other stuff that we don't know that we don't know yet (catchall)

Leaving your heart (Hart?) out of the picture, what would you do?

(a) keep Dooley for one more year, although his payout is still $5M after next season. The staff payouts would be lower, though.
(b) fire him now, triggering an increase of perhaps $1M in coaching salaries (guess) and $5-9M in payouts.
(c) something else?

B
 
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The thing is, there is alot of money to be made in college football these days. The reason we aren't making it, is because we are putting out a subpar product. We tried to go the cheap route and this was the result. The money will come when you put out a good product. Really the money is just sitting there for the taking. But you have to make an investment. So, beg, borrow, steal, whatever it takes to get a top flight coach who is capable of competing with the other top flight coaches, that's what you have to do. Otherwise, the financial picture is never going to get any better.
 
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The loss of ticket sales and donations due to a fan base ravaged by apathy due to another season under Dooley more than offsets that 5.6 to 9.3 million dollar buyout.

Everyone keeps focusing on the high end of the buyouts as well. Most of these coaches are going to find other jobs which will defer some of the losses.
 
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The loss of ticket sales and donations due to a fan base ravaged by apathy due to another season under Dooley more than offsets that 5.6 to 9.3 million dollar buyout.
I'm not so sure about how much the ticket sales would really offset the buyouts. If we are averaging about 96K instead of a capacity 102.5K, then we are down about 6500 tickets per game x 8 games per year x $50 per ticket = $2.6M/year. If it is a loss of 10K tickets per game, then it is $4M/year. That does not fully offset the buyouts, even on the low end. That said, every little bit surely will help.

Everyone keeps focusing on the high end of the buyouts as well. Most of these coaches are going to find other jobs which will defer some of the losses.
Agreed, but even the low end has a significant negative effect on the ADept's budget in its current state.
 
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Football is the cash cow.
How much UT merchandise have you bought this year and last year that UT gets royalty from.
How many sellouts of games under DD?
MAJOR BOWL PAYOUT ZERO.
UT cannot afford Dooley running this program!
As AD I have to make a change for the future of this program and University.
As AD I have to do it the right way by publically saying we are going in a different direction after this season.
As AD I know I have to stop the bleeding with a big name hire as quick as I can for recruiting purposes.
 
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Football is the cash cow.
How much UT merchandise have you bought this year and last year that UT gets royalty from.
How many sellouts of games under DD?
MAJOR BOWL PAYOUT ZERO.
UT cannot afford Dooley running this program!
As AD I have to make a change for the future of this program and University.
As AD I have to do it the right way by publically saying we are going in a different direction after this season.
As AD I know I have to stop the bleeding with a big name hire as quick as I can for recruiting purposes.

This. If you fire him now,you may even get an attendance boost from hopeful fans at these last few games.
 
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Football is the cash cow.
How much UT merchandise have you bought this year and last year that UT gets royalty from.
How many sellouts of games under DD?
MAJOR BOWL PAYOUT ZERO.
UT cannot afford Dooley running this program!
As AD I have to make a change for the future of this program and University.
As AD I have to do it the right way by publically saying we are going in a different direction after this season.
As AD I know I have to stop the bleeding with a big name hire as quick as I can for recruiting purposes.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
 
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I he wins out I think it would be difficult to replace him.

I take the Gruden speculation with a grain of salt. Rumor nothing more. But if it's true, it's definitely a different situation.

That is why you replace him now. This isn't as difficult as people make out. If he stays next year we basically guarantee three losses in the east and another Bama game where we don't even sniff being competitive. This is to say nothing of the financial fallout from an apathetic fan base. This needs to be done next week.
 
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That is why you replace him now. This isn't as difficult as people make out. If he stays next year we basically guarantee three losses in the east and another Bama game where we don't even sniff being competitive. This is to say nothing of the financial fallout from an apathetic fan base. This needs to be done next week.

Replace him with who?

If he wins out then I think the "apathetic fan base" argument is overstated. If we lose one next month then he's fired and we avoid it anyway. So it's kind of a moot point
 
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Replace him with who?

If he wins out then I think the "apathetic fan base" argument is overstated. If we lose one next month then he's fired and we avoid it anyway. So it's kind of a moot point

Moot? If Dooley goes undefeated and stays, people will stay away, nobody is going to spend money to watch tenn underperform and get curb stomped. Why do you need a name now? There is a month left in the season. Name an interim and get someone else in over the next couple of months.
 
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Replace him with who?

If he wins out then I think the "apathetic fan base" argument is overstated. If we lose one next month then he's fired and we avoid it anyway. So it's kind of a moot point

IF he wins out, that will be wins over NCSU, Akron, Ga State, Troy, Missouri, Vandy, and KY. Other than (maybe) Vandy, there are no significant wins here. The losses are all to FL, GA, Alabama, S Carolina, and Miss. State, all rivals other than (maybe) Miss State.

Do you really expect the fan base to feel less apathetic about that?
 
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That is why you replace him now. This isn't as difficult as people make out. If he stays next year we basically guarantee three losses in the east and another Bama game where we don't even sniff being competitive. This is to say nothing of the financial fallout from an apathetic fan base. This needs to be done next week.

I don't think we need to really replace him now. Announce that he is fired at the end of the season, but the coaching search has already begun. Urban Meyer was announced as the next coach before the season ended, but Fickell remained in place. Leave Dooley until the season ends, as a lame duck. Allow the new guy to transition gradually, and recruit without having to coach on the field.
 
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Moot? If Dooley goes undefeated and stays, people will stay away, nobody is going to spend money to watch tenn underperform and get curb stomped. Why do you need a name now? There is a month left in the season. Name an interim and get someone else in over the next couple of months.

I think that's an overstatement. Going 8-5 won't result in the apathy you think, IMO

Coaching changes almost always result in attrition. And unless it's a big name like Gruden, it will happen and we will likely be worse. Apathy will be high.

Edit: also, do you think Hart would just fire Dooley without having certain candidates in line? He must have names
 
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IF he wins out, that will be wins over NCSU, Akron, Ga State, Troy, Missouri, Vandy, and KY. Other than (maybe) Vandy, there are no significant wins here. The losses are all to FL, GA, Alabama, S Carolina, and Miss. State, all rivals other than (maybe) Miss State.

Do you really expect the fan base to feel less apathetic about that?

Some will but I think it's overstated. We should be an even better team next year after an 8-5 season.
 
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