You don't want shannon

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#176
Vegas you are out of your freaking mind if you think that Shannon cant recruit.

Chas you wrote things out very well, but it is clear that Dooley has never been an all in disciple because he has a coordinator who is nothing like Sabans grinding running game. We have a QB who will definitely sling it around next year.
 
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Andrew Wiggin said:
Vegas you are out of your freaking mind if you think that Shannon cant recruit.
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Check again. Miami should never be out of the top 10 and usually be a top-5 team as often as not in recruiting.

Team Ranking by Avg. Star:

Miami '07: 21st
Miami '08: 14th
Miami '09: 11th
Miami '10: 28th

There's a reason he was a .500 ACC coach.
 
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#180
#180
First of all, who cares about his recruiting record as a head coach. That is not his job here. How did he do as an DC when he was on the road more?

'02-#8
'03-#5
'04-#4
'05-#7
'06-#14

Sorry, they didn't show 2001. And besides this is a VOL thread, and nobody knows more about the lack of accuracy in recruiting evaluations over the past 10 years than a VOL.

What Tennessee needs to focus on is developing players. The program recruits always. Coach's need to develop the players. Talent is not good enough. Today, it takes talent and work ethic- full-time commitment. Did you know, in Randy Shannon's stint as head coach, only 1 Miami player was arrested? Did you know only two service academies ranked ahead of him in his time as a head coach in lifetime APR (academic progress rate). Only Airforce and Navy were better. Miami was the best of all BCS schools. Better than Stanford, Duke, Vandy, etc. Miami!

Football is a game of attrition. And the kind of attrition the Vols faced with the fallout in their highly touted recruiting classes is the most devastating in College Football. RECRUIT, DEVELOP, WIN. The last part doesn't happen without the middle part.

VFL
 
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#181
look, he may be a roaring success. best of luck to him and to tennessee.

i will just sum up what i really meant with the following, randy shannon is not a defensive guru of any sort. that's all. now, you don't have to be a great mind to produce great teams (defenses).

it's an honest opinion. now, this you're afraid or florida's afraid stuff is laughable. florida has owned tennessee for the better part of 30 years despite what players or coaches you were able to acquire
 
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99gator said:
look, he may be a roaring success. best of luck to him and to tennessee.

i will just sum up what i really meant with the following, randy shannon is not a defensive guru of any sort. that's all. now, you don't have to be a great mind to produce great teams (defenses).

it's an honest opinion. now, this you're afraid or florida's afraid stuff is laughable. florida has owned tennessee for the better part of 30 years despite what players or coaches you were able to acquire
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No one on here cares about your trolling opinion. Find something better to do with your day than to troll another team's board. Besides, the gators are in no position to talk college football to anyone right now.
 

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#183
Come on 99...you need to be out pounding the pavement this morning. Not on some other team's chatboard. Quit freeloading off the working man
 

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99gator said:
florida has owned tennessee for the better part of 30 years despite what players or coaches you were able to acquire
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You do realize that, until Urbie came to town and you guys won 7 straight, we led the series 19-15...right? Just keep digging your hole 99. Hopefully you won't be able to get out
 
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99gator said:
look, he may be a roaring success. best of luck to him and to tennessee.

i will just sum up what i really meant with the following, randy shannon is not a defensive guru of any sort. that's all. now, you don't have to be a great mind to produce great teams (defenses).

it's an honest opinion. now, this you're afraid or florida's afraid stuff is laughable. florida has owned tennessee for the better part of 30 years despite what players or coaches you were able to acquire
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You make some valid points but this is an exaggeration of the truth.

Florida has owned the series in recent years but before that Tennessee owned Florida.
 
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99gator said:
look, he may be a roaring success. best of luck to him and to tennessee.

i will just sum up what i really meant with the following, randy shannon is not a defensive guru of any sort. that's all. now, you don't have to be a great mind to produce great teams (defenses).

it's an honest opinion. now, this you're afraid or florida's afraid stuff is laughable. florida has owned tennessee for the better part of 30 years despite what players or coaches you were able to acquire
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Basically, Tennessee needs a vanilla type strong DC. If we got some type of D-guru it might take more than one year for his system to work. CDD needs wins this year...
 
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nowoovol said:
Did you know, in Randy Shannon's stint as head coach, only 1 Miami player was arrested? Did you know only two service academies ranked ahead of him in his time as a head coach in lifetime APR (academic progress rate). Only Airforce and Navy were better. Miami was the best of all BCS schools. Better than Stanford, Duke, Vandy, etc. Miami!

VFL
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His lack of attrition sure didn't help his team win, because his teams mostly stunk while he was HC. They had only 1 ranked season in his 4 years at Miami. A little recollection...

2007: 5-7 (1st losing season of a team not under probation in modern Miami history)
2008: 7-6 (never ranked in the top 20 all year)
2009: 9-4 (his 1 decent season)
2010: 7-6 (another poor season)

Record vs. top-10 Opponents
OU '07: lost by 38
Va Tech '07: lost by 30
Florida '08: lost by 23
OU '09: won by 1
Ohio St. '10: lost by 12

Record vs. Ranked: 4-12

Sure looks like low attrition really translates into wins, eh?
 
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VegasVol said:
His lack of attrition sure didn't help his team win, because his teams mostly stunk while he was HC. They had only 1 ranked season in his 4 years at Miami. A little recollection...

2007: 5-7 (1st losing season of a team not under probation in modern Miami history)
2008: 7-6 (never ranked in the top 20 all year)
2009: 9-4 (his 1 decent season)
2010: 7-6 (another poor season)

Record vs. top-10 Opponents
OU '07: lost by 38
Va Tech '07: lost by 30
Florida '08: lost by 23
OU '09: won by 1
Ohio St. '10: lost by 12

Record vs. Ranked: 4-12

Sure looks like low attrition really translates into wins, eh?
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Fortunately, we're not hiring him to be our head coach.

Oh by the way, Miami has had the highest ranked class in the ACC Coastal every year but 2007. According to your logic, they should have won their division more than zero times.
 
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VegasVol said:
His lack of attrition sure didn't help his team win, because his teams mostly stunk while he was HC. They had only 1 ranked season in his 4 years at Miami. A little recollection...

2007: 5-7 (1st losing season of a team not under probation in modern Miami history)
2008: 7-6 (never ranked in the top 20 all year)
2009: 9-4 (his 1 decent season)
2010: 7-6 (another poor season)

Record vs. top-10 Opponents
OU '07: lost by 38
Va Tech '07: lost by 30
Florida '08: lost by 23
OU '09: won by 1
Ohio St. '10: lost by 12

Record vs. Ranked: 4-12

Sure looks like low attrition really translates into wins, eh?
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Unless Shannon is being hired as our HC, I don't get how any of this is relevant.
 
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#192
Well, one of the other sites that I cannot post has a photo of Shannon on it standing behind a UT banner posted right now. The articles dogs out every poster on every UT blog for not believing them. Is it a photoshop picture? It is a site that makes me think about the good times back in the championship year. Hope you can read between the lines.
 
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#193
VegasVol said:
His lack of attrition sure didn't help his team win, because his teams mostly stunk while he was HC. They had only 1 ranked season in his 4 years at Miami. A little recollection...

2007: 5-7 (1st losing season of a team not under probation in modern Miami history)
2008: 7-6 (never ranked in the top 20 all year)
2009: 9-4 (his 1 decent season)
2010: 7-6 (another poor season)

Record vs. top-10 Opponents
OU '07: lost by 38
Va Tech '07: lost by 30
Florida '08: lost by 23
OU '09: won by 1
Ohio St. '10: lost by 12

Record vs. Ranked: 4-12

Sure looks like low attrition really translates into wins, eh?
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Who should we hire as DC?
 
#194
#194
volfan411 said:
You make some valid points but this is an exaggeration of the truth.

Florida has owned the series in recent years but before that Tennessee owned Florida.
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I don't consider 1992 recent really... We're 5-15 against them in the last 20 years.
 
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#195
VegasVol using numbers which are completely irrelevant to the topic/situation? Never seen that before...
 
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#196
Volview said:
Basically, Tennessee needs a vanilla type strong DC. If we got some type of D-guru it might take more than one year for his system to work. CDD needs wins this year...
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With a vanilla type-D, this is what good offensive opponents performed against Shannon's defenses:

Points Allowed
FSU '01: 27
FSU '02: 27
Florida '02: 16
Va Tech '02: 45
Ohio St. '02: 17 (regular time)
Florida '03: 33
Va Tech '03: 31
FSU '03: 14, 14
Louisville '04: 38
Florida '04: 10
LSU '05: 40
Louisville '06: 31
Ga Tech '06: 30
OU '07: 51
UNC '07: 33
Va Tech '07: 44
BC '07: 28
Florida '08: 26
A&M '08: 23
UNC '08: 28
FSU '08: 41
Ga Tech '08: 41
Cal '08: 24
FSU '09: 34
Ga Tech '09: 17
Va Tech '09: 31
OU '09: 20
UNC '09: 33
Wisconsin '09: 20
Oh St '10: 36
FSU '10: 45
UNC '10: 10
Ga Tech '10: 10
Va Tech '10: 31

Half the time, he gave up 30 or more, and during the first half of that stint, Shannon's defense had 12 or more NFL players in the 2-deep.
 
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Kurtastrophe said:
VegasVol using numbers which are completely irrelevant to the topic/situation? Never seen that before...
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So, he's both a great recruiter and a great developer of talent whose teams somehow completely stunk during most of his HC tenure in Miami? Was it the Miami weather that caused that freak occurrence?
 
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#198
VegasVol said:
So, he's both a great recruiter and a great developer of talent whose teams somehow completely stunk during most of his HC tenure in Miami? Was it the Miami weather that caused that freak occurrence?
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So who is your pick? Steele?
 
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#199
Relevant information based on the topic/situation:

During Shannon's six years as UM's defensive coordinator, his defenses ranked as follows in total defense nationally:
2001 – 6th
2002 – 7th
2003 – 2nd
2004 – 28th
2005 – 4th
2006 – 7th
 
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VegasVol said:
So, he's both a great recruiter and a great developer of talent whose teams somehow completely stunk during most of his HC tenure in Miami? Was it the Miami weather that caused that freak occurrence?
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So, you're saying that because he failed as a HC, he is doomed as a DC?

Wade Phillips disagrees.
 
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