You can't fire a coach after just two years!!!!

[Flipdaddy]

We should have the 7-8 wins this year and competing next for the East. That has been the plan and expectations all along. You are just extending the suffering.

So with the firing of Fulmer and then the Kiffin departure I never thought that would be possible. Listen.....WE WERE LEFT WITH NO TALENT!...LOL! This team doesn't hardly have any experience. Hell..look at the secondary. Losing Janzen to smoking pot (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Hunter (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Herman Lathers (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Bray in a game we were going to lose anyway (Not Dooley's Fault) I am concerned with Chaney. He runs the offense and the running problem is on him. Not fixed next year...on Dooley.

 

[checkerboards09]

Was the lose of Hunter and Bray the reason the team kept quitting in the second half of games ?

It sure looks that way. The loss of Hunter is enough to damage any team, but it shouldn't have been that bad. It's obvious the Hunter injury took the life out of the offense, but a good COACH would have this team still fighting.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So with the firing of Fulmer and then the Kiffin departure I never thought that would be possible. Listen.....WE WERE LEFT WITH NO TALENT!...LOL! This team doesn't hardly have any experience. Hell..look at the secondary. Losing Janzen to smoking pot (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Hunter (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Herman Lathers (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Bray in a game we were going to lose anyway (Not Dooley's Fault) I am concerned with Chaney. He runs the offense and the running problem is on him. Not fixed next year...on Dooley.

I would argue that while the running game issues in game 1 or 2 was on Chaney and HH. By the time game 3 rolled around and the issues were still there, I would expect a head coach to step in and start getting things fixed. This team started off running the ball as one of the worst in the nation and ended the year worst in the nation. Last time I checked, it is ok to try and improve throughout the season.

 

[VOLnMiami]

We could offer more than that for Stoops.

Stoops isn't coming to UT....EVER....End of story

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Please let coach Robinson rest in peace. General Neyland made the mistake... He gave Robinson a loaded roster and he still lost. Different situation completely.
Every thread you post is the same. Get a new schtick.

 

[LA Vol]

Nothing wrong with firing a coach after two years for record-setting bad performance. It wouldn't be too difficult to come here and skate by VU and UK for two years, convince your team to show up and make a stab at playing for four quarters, win or lose, and not embarrass the university by getting blown out and making the TV blooper reel every time you play an SEC opponent. Our expectations were rock bottom. If the next coach can do a better job, then he won't have to worry about getting fired after two years. He'll be a hero if he can just get us competitive, lined up correctly and willing to play hard for 60 minutes. Bonus points for digging us out of the basement of the SEC.

 

[Cpatter4]

So with the firing of Fulmer and then the Kiffin departure I never thought that would be possible. Listen.....WE WERE LEFT WITH NO TALENT!...LOL! This team doesn't hardly have any experience. Hell..look at the secondary. Losing Janzen to smoking pot (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Hunter (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Herman Lathers (Not Dooley's Fault) Losing Bray in a game we were going to lose anyway (Not Dooley's Fault) I am concerned with Chaney. He runs the offense and the running problem is on him. Not fixed next year...on Dooley.

So how do you explain Georgia winning with an equally young and undisciplined team? The fact is Tennessee always pay pennies for a mediocre coach hoping that they are a diamond in the rough when what we should be doing is paying big money for a PROVEN winner like Alabama did when they hired Nick Saban. "It takes money to make money" Tennessee needs to shell out the $$$ to get a big name coach then we wouldn't have to worry about whether or not the coach can win cause we will already know. Dooley's 3rd year at Louisiana Tech he went 4-8. Nick Saban's 3rd year at Alabama he had a National Championship already. Just so you know thats a team that went 6-7 to a team that went 14-0 in just 3 years. Hmmmmmmm Money Talks.

BIG MONEY BRINGS IN BIG COACHES!

 

[champyvol]

C'mon folks I'm Just as disapointed as all of you but all this Sumlin talk? Really??? It's Houston!!! They were 5-7 last year! We owe it to Dooley to give him 4 years for taking this job and having passion for our traditions. Don't get me wrong if he doesn't win 7 to 8 games and struggles to run the football he is prolly gone but damn let's give him a chance. We've got some good talent coming back next year with some scars and experience as he calls it. Lets' quit talking about the uncertanty of this program because we are going to kill this recruiting class. Plus if Dooley was fired today we will have a huge set back. And if you guys don't think he knows all this your crazy. He knows he is on the hot seat next season and if we keep this up the recruits will also. So it's up to you Volnation. Go Vols and Go Dooley!

yes you can, but you need somebody better than sumlin

 

[Herman Hickman]

Please let coach Robinson rest in peace. General Neyland made the mistake... He gave Robinson a loaded roster and he still lost. Different situation completely.
Every thread you post is the same. Get a new schtick.

Check that loaded roster again. No Lauricella. No Atkins. No Kozar. No Haslam. Tennessee lost their best talent starting after 1951 and continuing after 1952. It was a rebuilding situation, one Robinson proved incapable of handling.

Better yet, let's take a look at Tennessee's first team offense and defense in 1952:

Offense:

Davis
Herrmann
Campbell
Vest
Michels
Haslam
Kolenik
Hubbard
Morgan
Shires
Kozar

Defense:

Franklin
Fisher
Holohan
Myers
Atkins
Rotroff
Barbish
Moeller
Hyde
Maiure
Brengle

And then take a look at 1953, the year we returned to single-platoon football:

Franklin
Fisher
Powell
Leachman
Scott
McCord
Rotroff
Barbish
Hyde
Wade
Schwanger

Notice not a single one of those gentlemen started on offense for the 1952 Vols? We had six players return on defense, but lost the Suh of his era in Doug Atkins. It was hardly a loaded roster.

And I'll get a new response when one of you actually holds Dooley responsible for this season.

 

[Flipdaddy]

I would argue that while the running game issues in game 1 or 2 was on Chaney and HH. By the time game 3 rolled around and the issues were still there, I would expect a head coach to step in and start getting things fixed. This team started off running the ball as one of the worst in the nation and ended the year worst in the nation. Last time I checked, it is ok to try and improve throughout the season.

A. You can't fix a bunch of freshman and sophomores getting blown off the ball with no surge unless you start injecting them with steroids and keeping them in the gym. If they are not finishing off blocks which they weren't most of the time, you can only tell them to "finish off your blocks". It's up to them if they do it.

B. if the sprint draw scheme isn't working you can't just reteach your offense a whole new scheme in the middle of the year. If he doesn't get it fixed he will be gone next year. also poole (The backfield Dancer) has a lot of ownership in this also. Who's behind poole?......A true freshman and a walk on...lol!

 

[checkerboards09]

So how do you explain Georgia winning with an equally young and undisciplined team? The fact is Tennessee always pay pennies for a mediocre coach hoping that they are a diamond in the rough when what we should be doing is paying big money for a PROVEN winner like Alabama did when they hired Nick Saban. "It takes money to make money" Tennessee needs to shell out the $$$ to get a big name coach then we wouldn't have to worry about whether or not the coach can win cause we will already know. Dooley's 3rd year at Louisiana Tech he went 4-8. Nick Saban's 3rd year at Alabama he had a National Championship already. Just so you know thats a team that went 6-7 to a team that went 14-0 in just 3 years. Hmmmmmmm Money Talks.

BIG MONEY BRINGS IN BIG COACHES!

Cordarelle, is that you?

 

[Flipdaddy]

So how do you explain Georgia winning with an equally young and undisciplined team? The fact is Tennessee always pay pennies for a mediocre coach hoping that they are a diamond in the rough when what we should be doing is paying big money for a PROVEN winner like Alabama did when they hired Nick Saban. "It takes money to make money" Tennessee needs to shell out the $$$ to get a big name coach then we wouldn't have to worry about whether or not the coach can win cause we will already know. Dooley's 3rd year at Louisiana Tech he went 4-8. Nick Saban's 3rd year at Alabama he had a National Championship already. Just so you know thats a team that went 6-7 to a team that went 14-0 in just 3 years. Hmmmmmmm Money Talks.

BIG MONEY BRINGS IN BIG COACHES!

1. When Dooley was hired i was like WTH?
2. Saban came in with loads of talent
3. Who was available in 2010?
4. Tennessee tried to hire Muschump with big money and he said no thanks!

 

[Cpatter4]

Cordarelle, is that you?

No :no:

 

[govols/cc]

Dooley is a career loser look at his coaching record.

Wasn't Gene Chizik as well?

 

[AEL]

Yea and losing Bray for half the season and Hunter for pretty much the whole season had nothing to do with having a terrible year. Fulmer nor Kiffin would have done any better with the exact same roster and injuries imo.

Fulmer beat Kentucky with a couple of bad teams

 

[checkerboards09]

No :no:

sarcasm, friend

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

A. You can't fix a bunch of freshman and sophomores getting blown off the ball with no surge unless you start injecting them with steroids and keeping them in the gym. If they are not finishing off blocks which they weren't most of the time, you can only tell them to "finish off your blocks". It's up to them if they do it.

B. if the sprint draw scheme isn't working you can't just reteach your offense a whole new scheme in the middle of the year. If he doesn't get it fixed he will be gone next year. also poole (The backfield Dancer) has a lot of ownership in this also. Who's behind poole?......A true freshman and a walk on...lol!

Were alot of these same guys on the Oline not the ones who paved the way for a 1000 yard season for Poole last year? I think there are a couple on the bench who also contributed alot to those pretty decent rushing stats. We added Richardson and I think I read he is one of the strongest guys on the team. I would think averaging 3 or 4 yards a carry would not be unheard of.

If you tell them to do it and they do not, they should not be on the field. If that does not point to lack of coaching or respect for coaching I don't know what to say.

 

[Flipdaddy]

As far as Georgia winning this year, they have had all their coaches in place for a while and the east division sucks. Also a pretty good QB and they could run the ball. Plus they only beat us by 8 points. They recruit talent but Richt sux. This year they had an easy, easy schedule. If we didn't have to play alabubba, lsu, arkansas etc.. we would be bowling with ou ****ty team. LSU will smoke their asses in atlanta.

 

[Flipdaddy]

Were alot of these same guys on the Oline not the ones who paved the way for a 1000 yard season for Poole last year? I think there are a couple on the bench who also contributed alot to those pretty decent rushing stats. We added Richardson and I think I read he is one of the strongest guys on the team. I would think averaging 3 or 4 yards a carry would not be unheard of.

If you tell them to do it and they do not, they should not be on the field. If that does not point to lack of coaching or respect for coaching I don't know what to say.

OK...I'll play this game... bench them. Then who do you play?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

OK...I'll play this game... bench them. Then who do you play?

I think we have maybe 17-18 OL guys on the roster. You need to put 5 on the field to snap the ball. I don't think sitting a kid who decides he is not going to listen would have made a difference as the chance of it costing us a win is slim as we didn't have many.

I hope our coaching staff does not feel the same way you do. I would be damn if I allow some 4 star FR or SO to dictate how I run my football team. Maybe they do feel the same way and that would explain our season.

 

[Flipdaddy]

I think we have maybe 17-18 OL guys on the roster. You need to put 5 on the field to snap the ball. I don't think sitting a kid [/B]who decides he is not going to listen would have made a difference as the chance of it costing us a win is slim as we didn't have many. I hope our coaching staff does not feel the same way you do. I would be damn if I allow some 4 star FR or SO to dictate how I run my football team. Maybe they do feel the same way and that would explain our season.

You would be surprised..lol! I spent 5 years around our football players in the mid 2000's and the lack of talent behind the starters is usually pretty scary. These guys this year don't have anybody competing for their jobs and they are lazy!

 

[Ttucke11]

You would be surprised..lol! I spent 5 years around our football players in the mid 2000's and the lack of talent behind the starters is usually pretty scary. These guys this year don't have anybody competing for their jobs and they are lazy!

So you support the coach that allows the players to be lazy? I kinda get your point with the "who else we gona play" but this didn't make sense.

 

[Shawn23]

Yea and losing Bray for half the season and Hunter for pretty much the whole season had nothing to do with having a terrible year. Fulmer nor Kiffin would have done any better with the exact same roster and injuries imo.

yeah because 2 players make that big of a difference teams lose their star talent all the time and can still manage a few wins. and lets not say anything about we are young that is just a d**n crutch

 

[99gator]

So you support the coach that allows the players to be lazy? I kinda get your point with the "who else we gona play" but this didn't make sense.

a lack of depth....

1. makes for poor practices.

2. makes it difficult to bench guys who can play because what behind them clearly sucks.

unless those guys are self motivated people that want to excel without being pushed (which are few and far between), you are going to have problems.

this exists at florida right now too

 

[thagodfather]

Yea and losing Bray for half the season and Hunter for pretty much the whole season had nothing to do with having a terrible year. Fulmer nor Kiffin would have done any better with the exact same roster and injuries imo.

Fulmer and Kiffin both would have defeated Kentucky. Whose defending Fulmer and Kiffin, anyway? There's a reason that Fulmer is not here any longer and a Kiffin led team would have had a couple of more wins.