You can donate to kill black babies

#6
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Once a year, black women decide to spend $2 bills to try and make a point to businesses about how much impact they have on the economy. Businesses gladly accept their money, even though it's specifically meant to seperate the black community, women specifically, from everyone else.

The NAACP receives gifts constantly, for which the sole purpose is used to benefit people of color, in some cases, give them an advantage over white people.

What this caller did and the reaction he got was disturbing and the lady from PP reacted inappropriately. But keep in mind, in their eyes, doing abortions are a benefit to their clients, so they don't care "why" you donate and will say w/e to make sure you do, they just care that you do donate something.

Overall, I despise the acceptance of the blatant racism displayed, but there is racism of this nature that occurs in the other directions every, single, solitary, day... And it goes w/o comment or note.
 
#7
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I am pro life and I hate abortion and the thought of this donation and the way it was punked on this non proffit employee is horrible. I hate racism. So what about this, what if there was a group of African American people out there raising funds to help young African American women who have become pregnant that want to terminate their pregnancies but can't afford it? I mean, the call would have been TOTALLY different but the call would have ended the same, the group would have wanted the funds to go specifically to African American women needing assistance in paying for termination and possible counselling afterwards. They wouldn't have wanted their funds to go to whites or hispanics. So what was she supposed to do? I would love to record lots of calls without one person knowing and if you've never worked in non-profit, let me say this, you take it when it comes, smile and say thank you. There are young (and older) women of all races depending on donations to women clinics for all kinds of assistance, abortions, exams and again COUNSELLING for those women. I am just saying, take another look, it's not like she joined in, and I know she said "understandable", but she was also clearly trying to get to the end of his stupid words to get his credit card number. I love babies of all colors and I love people of all colors. This prank is BS. I guess Jesse and Al have been off the tv for too long so somebody just invented a reason. It's crap. Sometimes I think there is a group of people out there that comes up with stuff like this just to make sure whites and blacks never come together. Well, I for one am not buying it. Stay strong with me. It's 2008 folks, get on board and let's all have a freakin (jello) shot.

Oh, and let me remind you, I am in-fact pro life . . . .

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Volnissniss said:
I am pro life and I hate abortion and the thought of this donation and the way it was punked on this non proffit employee is horrible. I hate racism. So what about this, what if there was a group of African American people out there raising funds to help young African American women who have become pregnant that want to terminate their pregnancies but can't afford it? I mean, the call would have been TOTALLY different but the call would have ended the same, the group would have wanted the funds to go specifically to African American women needing assistance in paying for termination and possible counselling afterwards. They wouldn't have wanted their funds to go to whites or hispanics. So what was she supposed to do? I would love to record lots of calls without one person knowing and if you've never worked in non-profit, let me say this, you take it when it comes, smile and say thank you. There are young (and older) women of all races depending on donations to women clinics for all kinds of assistance, abortions, exams and again COUNSELLING for those women. I am just saying, take another look, it's not like she joined in, and I know she said "understandable", but she was also clearly trying to get to the end of his stupid words to get his credit card number. I love babies of all colors and I love people of all colors. This prank is BS. I guess Jesse and Al have been off the tv for too long so somebody just invented a reason. It's crap. Sometimes I think there is a group of people out there that comes up with stuff like this just to make sure whites and blacks never come together. Well, I for one am not buying it. Stay strong with me. It's 2008 folks, get on board and let's all have a freakin (jello) shot.

Oh, and let me remind you, I am in-fact pro life . . . .

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She also said she was "excited". Didn't you catch that with the theme music playing in the background? :ermm:
 
#9
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Rasputin_Vol said:
She also said she was "excited". Didn't you catch that with the theme music playing in the background? :ermm:
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While I COMPLETELY understand that using the word excited makes this have a very very bad tone, you have to know that this is a fund raiser, she is going to say w/e she can to keep the conversation going towards the biggest donation she can.

This does not make it right, but once again, if someone calls the NAACP and says, "I want this to help a black child and not a child of any other race", there wouldn't be any difference. The fund raiser would say w/e they had to say to ge the donation if that's their job. PP thinks they are providing a service to their clients, whether we agree with that service not.
 
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GV and Volniss, you both do understand who Margaret Sanger was and what she stood for, right? She was all about using eugenics to get rid of black people in America...she also founded what we now know as Planned Parenthood.
 
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therealUT said:
GV and Volniss, you both do understand who Margaret Sanger was and what she stood for, right? She was all about using eugenics to get rid of black people in America...she also founded what we now know as Planned Parenthood.
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This is absolutely incorrect.

She believed that people from third world or tribal countries were lower developed humans, had smaller brains and less sexual control. She believe birth control would allow population control in situations where those people had no business continuing to mulitiply.

In case you weren't aware, there a TON of people in her day that believed that black people were a lower form of human, not just her. And it wasn't just limited to blacks, it was ALL third world races. She openly spoke of the aborigines being 1 step above monkeys in their brain development. They aren't black.

Facts.
 
#12
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Sanger remains a controversial figure. While she is widely credited as a leader of the modern birth control movement, and remains an iconic figure for the American reproductive rights movements, she also is reviled by some who condemn her as "an abortion advocate." Pro-life groups have frequently condemned Sanger's views, attributing her efforts to promote birth control to a desire to "purify" the human race through eugenics, and even to eliminate minority races by placing birth control clinics in minority neighborhoods.[22] For this reason, Sanger is often quoted selectively or out of context, and her history and involvement with socialism and eugenics have often been rationalized or even ignored by her defenders and biographers. Despite allegations of racism, Sanger's work with minorities earned the respect of civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jr.[23] In their biographical article about Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood notes:

In 1930, Sanger opened a family planning clinic in Harlem that sought to enlist support for contraceptive use and to bring the benefits of family planning to women who were denied access to their city's health and social services. Staffed by a black physician and black social worker, the clinic was endorsed by The Amsterdam News (the powerful local newspaper), the Abyssinian Baptist Church, the Urban League, and the black community's elder statesman, W.E.B. DuBois.[24]

Although Sanger's views on abortion changed throughout the course of her life,[citation needed] in her early years she was acutely aware of the problem of abortion, typically self-induced or with the aid of a midwife. Her opposition to abortion stemmed primarily from a concern for the dangers to the mother, and less so from legal concerns or the welfare of the unborn child.[25] She wrote in a 1916 edition of Family Limitation, "no one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable," though she framed this in the context of her birth control advocacy, adding that "abortions will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. (Care is) the only cure for abortions." Sanger consistently regarded birth control and abortion as the responsibility and burden first and foremost of women, and as matters of law, medicine and public policy second.[26]

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: "To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."[27]
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That's her legacy portion of her Wiki entry. Fact based stuff, not urban legend.
 
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GoVols817 said:
That's her legacy portion of her Wiki entry. Fact based stuff, not urban legend.
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Wikipedia is not exactly a scholarly journal. And, the references were in no way biased in favor of Ms. Sanger, right?

Gloria Steinem
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
The author of Margaret Sanger: The Champion of Birth Control

Solid reporting, GV...
 
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therealUT said:
Wikipedia is not exactly a scholarly journal. And, the references were in no way biased in favor of Ms. Sanger, right?

Gloria Steinem
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
The author of Margaret Sanger: The Champion of Birth Control

Solid reporting, GV...
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Noone ever disputed she is the "champion" of birth control. I was disputing the fact that you said he wanted to eliminate black people with it. It's just not true.
 
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Your argument is ridiculous. Simply because she also wanted to eliminate other "inferior peoples" in no way means that she did not want to eliminate black people. Heck, using your argument, I could say that the KKK does not wish to eliminate black people and that the Nazi Regime did not want to eliminate Jews.

You can try to argue semantics all you want, however, she repeatedly and blatantly intended to cleanse the black population, more than any other, in America with her "Negro Programme." I guess you give her the benefit of the doubt though and believe, that in her heart, she would not have carried that through to complete genocide if she was ever given the power. But, hey, ethnic cleansing is good in your book...kudos.
 
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therealUT said:
Your argument is ridiculous. Simply because she also wanted to eliminate other "inferior peoples" in no way means that she did not want to eliminate black people. Heck, using your argument, I could say that the KKK does not wish to eliminate black people and that the Nazi Regime did not want to eliminate Jews.

You can try to argue semantics all you want, however, she repeatedly and blatantly intended to cleanse the black population, more than any other, in America with her "Negro Programme." I guess you give her the benefit of the doubt though and believe, that in her heart, she would not have carried that through to complete genocide if she was ever given the power. But, hey, ethnic cleansing is good in your book...kudos.
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What in the hell are you talking about?

I never, ever, ever, ever once said she wanted to eliminate anyone. I said she saw some other races as inferior in development and said that caused them not to be able to have sexual control.

She suggested they needed help controlling their population, which is, once again, not something that's never been heard of. She never cooked up some diabolic plan to rid the world of any given race. She has twisted in her view of other races just as was most of the rest of the white people on the planet at that time.

Please, tell me you have never cringed at the site of the black or mexican ladies living in public housing, walking to the nearest gas station with their 4 kids and they are 6 months pregnant with #5. If you haven't, you are a liar. Yes, it's in every race, but remember, at her time, white folks weren't as quick to admit their own race's faults as they are now.

Just like your view of her, you are picking one thing out of what I'm saying, isolating from everything else, and making it something it isn't.

I don't agree with her view that others were inferior, but maybe if you do a little research on your own that isn't written by a member of the NAACP.
 
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Ok, so after catching up on the discussion my question is who cares if this Sanger woman was an ignorant racist and her original plan was to elimate minority races? If, in fact, that was her plan it totally backfired. Planned Parenthood is a "friend" to any and all women of all races. Check out their website, at this very moment they are showcasing a young African American teen going around teaching abstinance. So is your argument that if African American women use PP, they are race trading or turning their back in some way? I thought this was about this alleged sincere attempt by some guy to donate money to kill African American babies. I seriously believe it was a prank (a sick one at that), I mean why did he need the boss to make a donation? And he was OBVIOUSLY trying to bait her to make sure she understood he was a racist and wanted to eliminate African American babies from being born. But as I originally stated, it doesn't matter if it was real or not, PP got the money (I suppose, if there was ever really a donation) and like I said lots of groups make donations to specific groups all the time. Just as an example Catholics donate to Catholic charities, black churches affiliated with black schools give them some of their funds from offerrings and likewise with white churches affiliated with white schools, breast cancer survivors, friends and relatives walk for the benefit of breast cancer and they do not want their money going to other kinds of cancer. Get what I'm saying? Whether the intent is good or bad, the end result is what matters. In this case, the end result should have been funding to help provide safe, health care and sex/birth control education for young women who are African American. I'd love to see what the reaction would be if there was a group out there that said out loud they wanted their donation to go to only white teens, then it would be racist to not include black teens.
 
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GoVols817 said:
She never cooked up some diabolic plan to rid the world of any given race.

maybe if you do a little research on your own that isn't written by a member of the NAACP.
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I assume you mean that she didn't cook up any diabolical plan other than her continued lobbying to the US Congress to set up a "Parliament of Population." What exactly would this parliament do? Segregate (concentration camps) and sterilize.

Also, nothing I have posted here comes from a member of the NAACP.
 
#21
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I'll be right back, I've gotta get my kid a cracker. Oh wait, my apologies, that was racist :)
 
#22
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Oh nevermind, I forgot, I'm the only one that can say that and it not be racist. Geeez, there are rules people!
 
#23
#23
Sangar believed in eugenics and looked down on blacks, Asians, and 3rd World people in general. No one can argue this point. And for anyone to naively believe that she did not actively promote black population control here in America is kidding themselves.
 
#24
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The kind of person she was is not the issue. What she thought she was starting has turned good. Kind of like how the Democrats thought Social Security was good and it has turned out bad.
So she is a horrible minority hating woman according to you, the program she started has turned out for good. All women, including African American women have benefitted from PP.
 
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