Year 1 successes

#51
#51
Everything you said is a valid factor for not competing to win the SEC or with the majority of our SEC schedule. I expected 5-7 or 6-6 this year. But it's a BS excuse if you're using it for last night.
 
#52
#52
patrick said:
And Vandy under Franklin has won more SEC games than Tennessee for 3 straight years - many more.
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We get it....Franklin is awesome....you love his coaching....he has beaten everyone.........yawn.

Dooley coached his teams down bad....very bad.
 
#54
#54
patrick said:
And Vandy under Franklin has won more SEC games than Tennessee for 3 straight years - many more.
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Two of those years were under Dooley and this year SOS, and yes TALENT is better at Vandy. So you would take Dobbs the way he is playing over Vandy's qbs, for example? Tell us what EXACTLY would you do to make us a top 5 program next year?
 
#56
#56
On the bright side. If Jones is indeed a bust as a field general. It appears the roster will be better for the next guy and we wont have this tired argument to go through again.
 
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#58
#58
fade route said:
You simply cannot inherit a team lacking in SEC quality talent, little to no depth, inexperience at most of your skill positions, and a roster full of guys who have played in a culture of expecting to lose, and turn it around in one year. I'm simply amazed at the lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works that this board has displayed the last 18 hours. It's truly stunning.


And before someone throws Malzahn out there, he inherited much more talent and a roster full of guys who knew how to run his system and knew how to win.....they're only 2 years removed from a NC.
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Not disagreeing necessarily, but the whole "Mahlzan benefitted from his players" line is played out. Did it help? Sure..but this is a team without a single conference win last year, currently 60 min away from playing for a conference title this year. The one year turn around is astonishing and downplaying it as primarily having to do with system players in place is shortsighted.
 
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#59
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GoVols15 said:
Two of those years were under Dooley and this year SOS, and yes TALENT is better at Vandy. So you would take Dobbs the way he is playing over Vandy's qbs, for example? Tell us what EXACTLY would you do to make us a top 5 program next year?
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Robinette is from Maryville. How many offers did he have?
 
#60
#60
Boca Vol said:
Robinette is from Maryville. How many offers did he have?
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What is your point here? You can always find players like this. For example, Jason Whitten is from Elizabethton, how many offers did he have? Inky Johnson? Need I say more!
 
#61
#61
VOLSGET IT DONE said:
Nick Sabans first year at ALA 2007
1 Western Carolina (W) 52-6
2 Vanderbilt (W) 24-10
3 #16 Arkansas (W) 41-38
4 #22 Georgia (L) 23-26 vs #16 ALA
5 Florida State (L) 14-21 vs #22 ALA
6 Houston (W) 30-24
7 Ole Miss (W) 27-24
8 Tennessee (W) 41-17
9 #3 LSU (L) 34-41
10 Mississippi State (L) 12-17 vs #22 ALA
11 Louisiana–Monroe (L) 14-21
12 #25 Auburn (L) 10-17
13 Colorado (W) 30-24

Even though they did go to a bowl game his first year against Colorado, look at who they lost too, and sometimes lost as a ranked team.

You cant judge a coach on his first year.
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I notice every game was close except for Western Carolina and .....
 
#62
#62
fade route said:
You simply cannot inherit a team lacking in SEC quality talent, little to no depth, inexperience at most of your skill positions, and a roster full of guys who have played in a culture of expecting to lose, and turn it around in one year. I'm simply amazed at the lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works that this board has displayed the last 18 hours. It's truly stunning.


And before someone throws Malzahn out there, he inherited much more talent and a roster full of guys who knew how to run his system and knew how to win.....they're only 2 years removed from a NC.
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Amen to this.

Also, people forget, Vandy ran us off the field last year.
 
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#64
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GoVols15 said:
What is your point here? You can always find players like this. For example, Jason Whitten is from Elizabethton, how many offers did he have? Inky Johnson? Need I say more!
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You're talking about how Vandy has a talent advantage. I disagree. They may be getting more out of what they have but in overall talent they are behind UT.
 
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#65
#65
Guys, I don't think a lot of people realize just how shallow and bad we were. It was so apparent during the Oregon, Bama and auburn games. If we would have lost to Oregon or Bama by 14-21 I would say that we are almost there, but we got shellacked. If Bama and Oregon wanted to hang 70-80 points on us they could have. The difference in talent was insane. Teams like that have kids riding the pine who would start for us. We need to also remember that these kids coming in are awesome and I'm stoked about them, but they will be freshman. I would consider a 7-5 season next year good with a 8-9 win season with a bowl win to cap it great. We can't truly "judge" Jones til the 2015 season. Just my two cents.

That being said, I thought a 6-6 season was doable and I had penciled in a W next to Vandy, Kentucky and the three cupcakes already.
 
#66
#66
rocketskates said:
Guys, I don't think a lot of people realize just how shallow and bad we were. It was so apparent during the Oregon, Bama and auburn games. If we would have lost to Oregon or Bama by 14-21 I would say that we are almost there, but we got shellacked. If Bama and Oregon wanted to hang 70-80 points on us they could have. We need to also remember that these kids coming in are awesome and I'm stoked about them, but they will be freshman. I would consider a 7-5 season next year good with a 8-9 win season with a bowl win to cap it great. We can't truly "judge" Jones til the 2015 season. Just my two cents.
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UT wasn't playing Bama, Oregon, or Auburn last night.
 
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#67
#67
Boca Vol said:
You're talking about how Vandy has a talent advantage. I disagree. They may be getting more out of what they have but in overall talent they are behind UT.
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Totally agree. They aren't the Vandy of old but they aren't as good as us. If we would have executed and taken advantage of their TOs as well as the fact that half their secondary was out we should have won handily.
 
#68
#68
Boca Vol said:
UT wasn't playing Bama, Oregon, or Auburn last night.
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I understand. Just pointing out that it will indeed take awhile to be back on top.

I feel for the kids. They truly have Dooleys stink all over them. It was almost like it was expected that Vandy would make a game winning drive AND win with some kind of controversy.
 
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#70
#70
rocketskates said:
Totally agree. They aren't the Vandy of old but they aren't as good as us. If we would have executed and taken advantage of their TOs as well as the fact that half their secondary was out we should have won handily.
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We're not very good, so yes they are better than us...they're going to a bowl game, we're not. That's better than us. Like it or not. I myself am getting tired of the whole , it's Vandy so we should beat Vandy. Just people shut the hell up with that. Then you're making a prediction of 8-9 wins with a bowl...are your stupid? I guess people need to just make stupid predictions again.

I wish most of you all would just shut the hell up and get some damn common sense.
 
#71
#71
So the team regressed during one of the hardest stretches of games in recent history. During that time we lost our junior QB, and we had to go with a true freshman. Worley was improving when he got injured. Sure, he doesn't have the intangibles to be a SEC qb, but he was progressing on what he did have. I think that some of our fans need to step away from the ledge. I am just as tired of losing as the next guy, but look at what CBJ inherited. Go to the recruiting forum and step away from the ledge. Totally different atmosphere in that forum.
 
#72
#72
If CBJ wins at Kentucky AND is able to land a top five recruiting class, those two accomplishments will go a long way in healing some of this season's ailments. Nothing is going to take away the sting of losing to Vanderbilt; Especially for those of us who live in and around Nashville and have to listing to the braying of 'dores fans who also have no memory of the last 40 years.
 
#73
#73
fade route said:
Worley was getting better with each game before he got hurt, but you can only go so far in development with this roster. Playing really good teams exposes that. I mean, Mizzou and Auburn turned out to be worlds better than UF and UGA.
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yet we couldn't beat any of the four
 
#74
#74
fade route said:
You simply cannot inherit a team lacking in SEC quality talent, little to no depth, inexperience at most of your skill positions, and a roster full of guys who have played in a culture of expecting to lose, and turn it around in one year. I'm simply amazed at the lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works that this board has displayed the last 18 hours. It's truly stunning.


And before someone throws Malzahn out there, he inherited much more talent and a roster full of guys who knew how to run his system and knew how to win.....they're only 2 years removed from a NC.
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I am just needing one positive thing coach wise. Unfortunately I haven't found one. That is worse than knowing we are awful. Always next year.
 
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