Yahoo Sportswriter calls it a controversial win for UM

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Basketball players are becoming as bad as soccer players at showy flops (like that one by the UM player). But if the ref calls it a charge, then it's a charge.
 
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armchair said:
It was a dumb play call by Martin and a terrible call by the official. However, most good officials would have not blown the whistle at all--don't call fouls on a last play like that either way unless it is an egregious hack, say--and had there been no call Stokes would have lost the ball and we would have lost anyway.

Basketball teams have been in that situation a million times: You throw the ball in to a playmaker (McRae or Richardson)--that's why you have playmakers--who makes a move and tries to get a good shot--or take it to the basket; you try to get a shot off with a few seconds left so that if you miss your team has a chance to get the rebound. You don't pass the ball to your center 12 or more feet from the basket. DUMB. And ultimately the proof is in the pudding: the play was dumb and we didn't even get a shot. Since when do you hope your center can make a play away from the basket like that? Had Stokes gotten the ball close to the basket, then, yea, it makes sense. But it does not make sense to throw it to him 12+ feet away.
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Tennessee's best offensive situation for weeks has been Stokes with the ball in the post, either driving to the basket himself or passing out of the double-team. It boggles my mind that people would rather have seen the ball go out to the perimeter. I don't know what you guys have been watching for the last month.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Tennessee's best offensive situation for weeks has been Stokes with the ball in the post, either driving to the basket himself or passing out of the double-team. It boggles my mind that people would rather have seen the ball go out to the perimeter. I don't know what you guys have been watching for the last month.
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They also don't understand that the there are limited places to inbound the ball from the spot they were working from. Finding Richardson or MacRae up top is basically impossible from where they are inbounding. The only way to get one of them the ball would be to run them to the corner, which would have immediately been trapped.
 
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albedo33 said:
Basketball players are becoming as bad as soccer players at showy flops (like that one by the UM player). But if the ref calls it a charge, then it's a charge.
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No sheet...but SHOULD it have been called a charge? Answer, NO!
 
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drewtigeralum said:
They also don't understand that the there are limited places to inbound the ball from the spot they were working from. Finding Richardson or MacRae up top is basically impossible from where they are inbounding. The only way to get one of them the ball would be to run them to the corner, which would have immediately been trapped.
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This. The percentage of completing the pass then making the 3 that McRae more than likely would have settled for is the lowest percentage you can have. Getting it into Stokes was the right move. 9 out of 10 refs would have let the play go on.
 
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I didn't see the shoulder even make contact. Terrible call. There were a few bad calls/no calls, another was in the first half when stokes was pushed almost out of bounds, causing him the throw the ball away. It was poor officiating. Oh well, if we didn't allow the huge run and poor scoring last 8 minutes or so of the first half it would've been all good. Martin is terrible at using timeouts for game adjustments, or slowing the pace. I hope this guy recruits well this offseason. I know I'm everywhere with this post, but I got a few things on my mind.
 
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Didn't these guys see Witchita on Sunday? If you throw it way out to the perimeter with under 10 seconds left, the overwhelming likelihood is that you're going to end up with either McRae or Richardson taking a 23 footer with a hand in his face when a two-pointer wins the game. The ball went to the right spot.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Didn't these guys see Witchita on Sunday? If you throw it way out to the perimeter with under 10 seconds left, the overwhelming likelihood is that you're going to end up with either McRae or Richardson taking a 23 footer with a hand in his face when a two-pointer wins the game. The ball went to the right spot.
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They either don't know basketball, or just want something to complain about. Probably both.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Didn't these guys see Witchita on Sunday? If you throw it way out to the perimeter with under 10 seconds left, the overwhelming likelihood is that you're going to end up with either McRae or Richardson taking a 23 footer with a hand in his face when a two-pointer wins the game. The ball went to the right spot.
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Stokes is the best player. He thrives in that spot. Stokes makes the right play 75% of the time.

We just got ****ed by the ref.
 
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So an inbounds to Stokes 12-15 ft away from basket, not even on the post, with him being really bad in this game, and JMac and JRich Being hot and nearly unstoppable, at least in the last 5 minutes, is the right call...smh...only reason Stokes should have gotten the pass was then to immediately hand off to either one of them and let them drive to basket...UM couldnt stop their drives at that point...
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
So an inbounds to Stokes 12-15 ft away from basket, not even on the post, with him being really bad in this game, and JMac and JRich Being hot and nearly unstoppable, at least in the last 5 minutes, is the right call...smh...only reason Stokes should have gotten the pass was then to immediately hand off to either one of them and let them drive to basket...UM couldnt stop their drives at that point...
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Do you really not understand where they were inbounding the ball? On the baseline, close to the corner, with a man on the ball. You can either throw it over the top into the back court, pass it into the corner, or drop it off right where Stokes cut. There was no way for Stokes to "hand off" to anyone.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Do you really not understand where they were inbounding the ball? On the baseline, close to the corner, with a man on the ball. You can either throw it over the top into the back court, pass it into the corner, or drop it off right where Stokes cut. There was no way for Stokes to "hand off" to anyone.
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Don't you understand, defenses just stand idly by and let you throw the ball anywhere you want on the floor. I'm surprised Martin didn't call for a pass to a wide open player under the basket for an easy dunk....

We have the dumbest fans.
 
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If Tennessee could've won this game against Michigan and the officials they'd be in the final four. Proud of how they battled. Stokes was giving that dude a piggy back ride every time he posted up. How bout Reese in for Maymon? That was a nice little spark.
 
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slow mo frame by frame that is a foul 95% of the time. Split the double team no shoulder contact = foul on def.
 
#45
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Terrible call. A good official does let a flop with 6 seconds left in the game, decide the outcome of a NCAA Tournament game.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Do you really not understand where they were inbounding the ball? On the baseline, close to the corner, with a man on the ball. You can either throw it over the top into the back court, pass it into the corner, or drop it off right where Stokes cut. There was no way for Stokes to "hand off" to anyone.
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EZE said:
Don't you understand, defenses just stand idly by and let you throw the ball anywhere you want on the floor. I'm surprised Martin didn't call for a pass to a wide open player under the basket for an easy dunk....

We have the dumbest fans.
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I don't know about you, but that last minute snuck up on me. I'm sitting there thinking we have a miracle, then I'm like "he stepped out! holy ****", then I paced around saying "holy ****" over and over, wondering what the play would be.
Of course hindsight, but since we throw it to Stokes there a lot and come across for handoffs from the out of bounds man, I would've really thought about McRae or Jrich throwing it to him and coming around for a handoff and attacking the rim.
Looked like he had the pass up top, but Stokes was trying to make a play, so you can't really fault him, especially since he got hacked and flopped on.


The highlighted part was a post from Sparty in his Non Angry Discussion thread...obviously you can inbound and do a hand off...so who is the dumb fans now? Apparently, you 2 don't know BBall as well as you think...
 
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