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#26
#26
BearCat204 said:
There isnt a chance in hell that not being able to play used games on the consoles will happen. It wont even get to the point of Gamestop and other used game retailers flexing their muscles.
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It won't, but only because the whole gaming industry will never be able to all get their ducks in a row at the same time to make it happen. If all the consoles would work together on this, they could make it happen, but like has been mentioned earlier, as soon as one console officially goes forward with this idea, the others will simply keep it in their system in a effort to sell units.

From the developers perspective, I don't know why they don't try and put some more pressure on Microsoft and Sony to try and get this done. Until it does, we can expect to see more companies doing what EA has done and including one-time codes in order to access the online features in order to get people to buy the games new so they see some of the sales as opposed to a full retail less five dollars used copy from GameStop that the devs never see a dime from.
 
#27
#27
bleedorange0037 said:
It won't, but only because the whole gaming industry will never be able to all get their ducks in a row at the same time to make it happen. If all the consoles would work together on this, they could make it happen, but like has been mentioned earlier, as soon as one console officially goes forward with this idea, the others will simply keep it in their system in a effort to sell units.

From the developers perspective, I don't know why they don't try and put some more pressure on Microsoft and Sony to try and get this done. Until it does, we can expect to see more companies doing what EA has done and including one-time codes in order to access the online features in order to get people to buy the games new so they see some of the sales as opposed to a full retail less five dollars used copy from GameStop that the devs never see a dime from.
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I dont even think its an issue of M$ and Sony getting together on this. I think the relationship between M$/Sony and the retailers are being underestimated in this scenerio. The two biggest retailers of new games are Best Buy and Gamestop, followed by Amazon, who all have a hand in the used game market. I dont see any way that M$ and Sony would want to bite the hand that feeds them, their biggest retailers. JMO
 
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#28
#28
Do retailers do something to a used disc or does the console itself identify the discs by a number? How can they tell its used?
 
#30
#30
BearCat204 said:
I dont even think its an issue of M$ and Sony getting together on this. I think the relationship between M$/Sony and the retailers are being underestimated in this scenerio. The two biggest retailers of new games are Best Buy and Gamestop, followed by Amazon, who all have a hand in the used game market. I dont see any way that M$ and Sony would want to bite the hand that feeds them, their biggest retailers. JMO
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I get that. It would seem somewhere along the way that the game developers would want to put some pressure on the console companies to throw them a bit of a bone on this though, because I'm sure the used game companies are taking a HUGE chunk of money that they could be making. Even if it was to get GameStop, etc. to kick back a little of the used game sales to the devs.

Don't get me wrong, GameStop has come up with a hell of a business model, but it just feels to me like the people who actually make the game (and IMO the ones who deserve to be paid for it) are getting screwed in the whole used games market. I mean GameStop literally sells the same game for $5 less, had nothing to do with it's creation, and makes almost straight profit from it. It only seems fair to me to throw a little $$$ the devs way, because without their hard work, GS wouldn't be able to have those huge margins.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I get that. It would seem somewhere along the way that the game developers would want to put some pressure on the console companies to throw them a bit of a bone on this though, because I'm sure the used game companies are taking a HUGE chunk of money that they could be making. Even if it was to get GameStop, etc. to kick back a little of the used game sales to the devs.

Don't get me wrong, GameStop has come up with a hell of a business model, but it just feels to me like the people who actually make the game (and IMO the ones who deserve to be paid for it) are getting screwed in the whole used games market. I mean GameStop literally sells the same game for $5 less, had nothing to do with it's creation, and makes almost straight profit from it. It only seems fair to me to throw a little $$$ the devs way, because without their hard work, GS wouldn't be able to have those huge margins.
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I see what you are saying as well, it doesnt seem "fair", but honestly thats just business and Gamestop has done a great job at it. I dont see how you would ever force Gamestop to kick back any bit of money to the devs and they really shouldnt have to either. Do record stores that sell used records have to send any money to the artist? Or even to the record label? How bout used car dealerships, should they have to give a kickback to Ford on all their crap used vehicles they sale? Since Gamestop is profiting so much on the used game sales market, it would seem that they are dirty or that they owe the devs something and they really dont. Making Gamestop give back some money to the devs is almost like making me give money to the devs by selling one of my games on craigslist.....technically. I just dont see a justification in forcing Gamestop to do that and ultimately I dont think they end up doing so.
 
#32
#32
BearCat204 said:
I see what you are saying as well, it doesnt seem "fair", but honestly thats just business and Gamestop has done a great job at it. I dont see how you would ever force Gamestop to kick back any bit of money to the devs and they really shouldnt have to either. Do record stores that sell used records have to send any money to the artist? Or even to the record label? How bout used car dealerships, should they have to give a kickback to Ford on all their crap used vehicles they sale? Since Gamestop is profiting so much on the used game sales market, it would seem that they are dirty or that they owe the devs something and they really dont. Making Gamestop give back some money to the devs is almost like making me give money to the devs by selling one of my games on craigslist.....technically. I just dont see a justification in forcing Gamestop to do that and ultimately I dont think they end up doing so.
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I realize it's unlikely to happen. However, if the devs and console people could get their stuff together on this, unlike the auto industry or other industries you mentioned, they actually COULD force GameStop's hand into giving them a percentage of used sales. With the cooperation of MS, Sony and Nintendo they could basically tell GameStop they were either going to start giving back a portion of the used game sales, or they were going to get the consoles to kill used games altogether. It would seem to be a smart business move on their part. Right now, GameStop, thanks to a smart business model, has the leg up on them, and it's up to game developers to figure out a way to force GS's hand if they want things to change.

However, like has been discussed, it's HIGHLY unlikely the consoles are going to work together on something like this, because as soon as one console goes to block used games, one of the others is just going to allow them in an effort to drive sales.
 
#33
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bleedorange0037 said:
Don't get me wrong, GameStop has come up with a hell of a business model, but it just feels to me like the people who actually make the game (and IMO the ones who deserve to be paid for it) are getting screwed in the whole used games market. I mean GameStop literally sells the same game for $5 less, had nothing to do with it's creation, and makes almost straight profit from it. It only seems fair to me to throw a little $$$ the devs way, because without their hard work, GS wouldn't be able to have those huge margins.
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GameStop didn't come up with that.
 
#34
#34
BearCat204 said:
There isnt a chance in hell that not being able to play used games on the consoles will happen. It wont even get to the point of Gamestop and other used game retailers flexing their muscles.
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I can see something like EA's online pass being the norm for anything other than pure vanilla content. That $8-12 is likely more than the publisher clears on the sale of a new game anyhow on the profit end
 
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Toujours Pret said:
I can see something like EA's online pass being the norm for anything other than pure vanilla content. That $8-12 is likely more than the publisher clears on the sale of a new game anyhow on the profit end
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And Im ok with the online pass. They are providing the online portion of the game (servers) and should be getting a portion from every user who uses the game. I dont have a problem with online passes.
 
#38
#38
If they make the machine where you have to always be online, and you can't play used titles, I'll be taking my business to Sony.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Of course Gamestop will. I'm sure they'd hate to see that gravy train of making 30+ dollars PROFIT on used games that they did nothing other than front $20 in store credit for.
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Also the overhead, and the labor. If it's such a profitable, no-brainer business, you should open a competitor.
 
#41
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n_huffhines said:
Also the overhead, and the labor. If it's such a profitable, no-brainer business, you should open a competitor.
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Almost all of Gamestops profit comes from the used game market. They hardly make any money when it comes to new releases, consoles and accessories.
 
#43
#43
If devs focused on making higher quality games, they would be less worried about missed revenue from the used crap they made. Someone was dumb enough to pay full price, hated it, and sold it.
 
#44
#44
How many of you buy used games to save $5? Back when I had time to play games all the time I mostly rented games. That is an area I think would highly suffer from this.

Also if the the game industry really wants to get away from the used market they need to guide the consumers to the online market place like music and movies has gone. Download content directly to the console and keep purchase libraries in a cloud. That way if you need space on your machine just delete the software then re-download it if you ever want to play it again. In the long run this could also put an end making the consoles backward compatable for discs. Slowly but surely the Gamestops will begin to fade away just like record shops.
 
#45
#45
yeah, I agree with you burnt.

Gamestop is in the same position Blockbuster was in about 5 years ago.

They will need to evolve, or die.
 
#46
#46
The ONLY way I wouldn't be entirely mad about this is if they price of games was cut A LOT. Which won't happen.
 
#47
#47
iVol4Life said:
The ONLY way I wouldn't be entirely mad about this is if they price of games was cut A LOT. Which won't happen.
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I'd bet they would go up. Older console games (PS2 and Xbox) were $50 for new releases. Now they are $60 for 360 and PS3. I wouldn't be surprised if they went up 5 or 10 more dollars again.
 
#50
#50
cant see myself buying the next xbox if Microsoft doesnt come with some great new exclusives.. Sony killed them this gen with the exclusives
 
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