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As has been pointed out, Vince can't change him at this point. Cena is Hogan 2.0. The kids couldn't handle a change from him.

More importantly, there you go. The crowd always get what they want. Have to assume Bryan wins against Trips, but I wonder if he somehow gets screwed over in the title match. The WM card is getting better and better. If they'd dump the New Age Outlaws and give the Usos a real tag team match, this could actually be a great WM. Vince has worked over the smarks again.

Bryan-HHH
Cena-Wyatt
Taker-Lesnar
The Shield for something
30 man battle royal for the Andre the Giant trophy
Orton-Batista-maybe Bryan
 
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volfanbill said:
As has been pointed out, Vince can't change him at this point. Cena is Hogan 2.0. The kids couldn't handle a change from him.

More importantly, there you go. The crowd always get what they want. Have to assume Bryan wins against Trips, but I wonder if he somehow gets screwed over in the title match. The WM card is getting better and better. If they'd dump the New Age Outlaws and give the Usos a real tag team match, this could actually be a great WM. Vince has worked over the smarks again.

Bryan-HHH
Cena-Wyatt
Taker-Lesnar
The Shield for something
30 man battle royal for the Andre the Giant trophy
Orton-Batista-maybe Bryan
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we know bryan is gonna win against HHH or the stipulation wouldn't be added. Now, will he win in the title match? Not so sure. I could legit see any of the three winning that match for various reasons.
 
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So do ya'll think Punk has burned his bridges with WWE? If he's not hurt, it seems he thought a little too highly of himself and Vince called his bluff.
 
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Weezer said:
So do ya'll think Punk has burned his bridges with WWE? If he's not hurt, it seems he thought a little too highly of himself and Vince called his bluff.
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I don't think it was a bluff. If for some reason Punk wants to come back, Vince would be an idiot not to let him.
 
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volfanbill said:
lol. Love how you still believe none of this was planned.
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BS it was planned. If it was planned they would've not brought in Batista like they did as a face and expect him to get cheered. Not everthing in wrasslin is a work, just like the Punk thing.
 
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Volwark said:
BS it was planned. If it was planned they would've not brought in Batista like they did as a face and expect him to get cheered. Not everthing in wrasslin is a work, just like the Punk thing.
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It was planned as a backup for sure. They also didn't think Batista would be in such terrible shape as he is, but if you don't think this was always in the cards (especially once Punk went MIA) then you don't get Vince and his borderline psychotic levels of planning and control.



Scotty said:
Nuts to believe it was planned. They're reacting to Bryan's popularity because they have no choice.
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You mean the popularity they've been riding for months now? This isn't new. They've known he was this big since Summerslam, it really peaked in his cage match against Bray Wyatt. Them pushing him down constantly to make him even more over is truly what was "best for business."
 
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WWE did what they had to do. It was planned to the extent that when circumstances played out the way they did, WWE adjusted, which happens all the time in the business. Injuries, contract disputes, personal problems... real life happens and the company rolls with it. It's the nature of the beast.
 
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Daloth said:
They also didn't think Batista would be in such terrible shape as he is, but if you don't think this was always in the cards (especially once Punk went MIA) then you don't get Vince and his borderline psychotic levels of planning and control.
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Punk going MIA happened way after they negotiated with Batista and brought him in, tho.

It's pretty obvious what the plan was. They brought in Batista, and figured that the wave of nostalgia would make him a natural face to face Orton at WM. That in itself is a folly considering Orton has already had two substance strikes. Anyway, it turned out to be ill-timed because thats when the Daniel Bryan popularity hit its peak. People were wanting him to win the Rumble, not Batista. WWE genuinely thought Batista would ride a wave of nostalgia to fan popularity.

Now, the plan did change. But I reckon it changed around the time that Batista made his heel speech on Smackdown, and not months in advance.

And Vince's control might be pyschotic, but his planning is not. WWE is notorious for its lack of continuity and abandoned storylines.
 
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Really good show tonight. The Forum was packed. Christian/Sheamus match was awesome.

Raw is already coming back in September. Three shows in one year.
 
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Weezer said:
So do ya'll think Punk has burned his bridges with WWE? If he's not hurt, it seems he thought a little too highly of himself and Vince called his bluff.
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As long as you can potentially make the company money, your bridge with Vince is never burned.
 
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Volwark said:
Punk going MIA happened way after they negotiated with Batista and brought him in, tho.

It's pretty obvious what the plan was. They brought in Batista, and figured that the wave of nostalgia would make him a natural face to face Orton at WM. That in itself is a folly considering Orton has already had two substance strikes. Anyway, it turned out to be ill-timed because thats when the Daniel Bryan popularity hit its peak. People were wanting him to win the Rumble, not Batista. WWE genuinely thought Batista would ride a wave of nostalgia to fan popularity.

Now, the plan did change. But I reckon it changed around the time that Batista made his heel speech on Smackdown, and not months in advance.

And Vince's control might be pyschotic, but his planning is not. WWE is notorious for its lack of continuity and abandoned storylines.
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This is just too cute. That's really all there is to say.
 
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They drug Daniel Bryan out into so many main events and more spots than anybody, to include Orton, all because they were keeping him down. All because they weren't giving him a chance. Hilarious.
 
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Ok yeah, you're right.

I mean the poor PPV buy rates when Bryan was champ certainly had nothing to do with it. The storyline all along has been that he's too small...wait, not it hasn't. Oops. Well anyways. I know they totally intended for Rey Mysterio to be booed when he came out at the RR. It was their plan all along for the guy who was to be a face in the main event at WM to be booed at the end of said Rumble, when he just beat a heel who was getting cheered instead. Then it was their plan for him to pretend to be gassed whenever he competes in a match (damn that Batista is already a helluva an actor). And for the original heel in the main event, Orton, to get the reaction of crickets whenever he comes out. Then Vince finally executed his master stroke by running off the #2 guy in the company.

Genious!

Now I'm gonna go sweep some stuff under the rug, pretend it isn't there, and bury my head in the sand while the sun rises in the west.
 
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not a single one of your examples has anything to do with the Bryan story. But keep burying your head in the sand. It's making you believe foolish things, no reason to stop now.
 
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volfanbill said:
They drug Daniel Bryan out into so many main events and more spots than anybody, to include Orton, all because they were keeping him down. All because they weren't giving him a chance. Hilarious.
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I think reality lies somewhere in between.

Assuming this has been the angle all along is giving the writers/bookers WAY too much credit. They've wrecked and/or abandoned far too many storylines to think they just magically crafted this long arc and have played it perfectly.

To their credit, I think they saw where the pops were headed and eventually shifted to the story line to where it needed to go, but I think they've had plenty of things blow up in their face along the way.

I haven't read the dirt sheets in a long time. I wonder how much sway HHH has in the back now. Pretty much total control?
 
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WallyBalls said:
I think reality lies somewhere in between.

Assuming this has been the angle all along is giving the writers/bookers WAY too much credit. They've wrecked and/or abandoned far too many storylines to think they just magically crafted this long arc and have played it perfectly.

To their credit, I think they saw where the pops were headed and eventually shifted to the story line to where it needed to go, but I think they've had plenty of things blow up in their face along the way.

I haven't read the dirt sheets in a long time. I wonder how much sway HHH has in the back now. Pretty much total control?
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That's how the writing works though. They push a lot of angles and go with what works. They've been pushing Bryan for almost a full year now. They pushed it to the brink without totally losing the fans. There is a difference in losing the fans and just pissing them off. Pissing them off is great, because they continue to tune for awhile to see what will happen and then get overly excited when something good happens. I'm guilty of it.

I'm not saying WWE writing has been great, it clearly hasn't and I have dozen of posts commenting on it. When they initially pushed Orton, he had earned his spot back and played a pretty decent good guy. And he has the in ring ability to support it. They gave him the belt by turning him heel again in the process and made him a wimp. They did the same thing with Punk so the story got stale quick. They let Orton become hated, giving Bryan even more steam and allowing them to slowly play the story along while they could get more successful feuds working. They failed miserably at that. For those claiming Punk leaving created this Bryan push, let's think about that for a second. Punk reportedly left because he wasn't the one getting the big push (because Bryan and Batista were). Obviously the Batista thing failed, I mean most internet sites predicted it.

They haven't changed Mysterio in forever, so the fans are just bored with that. Kind of like Kofi Kingston. He does great things, gets to the brink of making something big and WWE just buries him. ADR is one of the best heels in the business, but they are burying him. Wade Barrett was absolutely fantastic as a heel with Nexus, but they've destroyed him. It's sad really. Yeah, creative has done some awful writing the past few years, but that has no bearing on the fact that Bryan has had the biggest push since early last summer and they are now capitalizing on it.

As for Trips, a lot of the failed storylines fall on him (Tensai comes to immediate mind), so he went all in on the Shield and the Wyatts. Both seem to be paying big dividends.
 
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