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Notorious B.E.N said:
Angle has to be the best "pure wrestler" there ever was. Unless i don't know what pure wrestler is. And i do understand it's his opinion.
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Yeah he was supposedly beating Lesnar in their shoot wrestling match that got cut short. I remember Steve Austin saying on a podcast that he'd never seen anyone pick up the business of pro wrestling as quickly as Kurt did when he signed.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Angle has to be the best "pure wrestler" there ever was. Unless i don't know what pure wrestler is. And i do understand it's his opinion.
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I agree. not just a great real wrestler, but a great sports entertainment professional. Had more moves than anybody. No one touches Angle when it comes to skillset imo.
 
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UTK said:
Pretty crazy. Lol all three of the guys are majorly different. The fact The Miz is one of those guys and John Cena isn't is also pretty insane.
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Cena seems to be a victim of the brand split. Never had a chance at the IC before he was "above" it.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Angle has to be the best "pure wrestler" there ever was. Unless i don't know what pure wrestler is. And i do understand it's his opinion.
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Trust me, Angle is a solid pick for that. But I also mean pure wrestling not just from a mat based techincal standpoint. Just a mix of all the styles. Technical wrestling, high flying, submissions, kicks, knees, everything. Basically being able to put on amazing matches regardless who your opponent is. And Bryan may be the best. But trust me Angle could easily be the best. Angle is incredible. Benoit was as well. Bret Hart too. HBK. Mr. Perfect.
 
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And **** WWE for trying to get me to watch Smackdown. Let Styles wrestle on RAW. Pleaseeee.
 
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Re: Daniel Bryan

I have to remind myself that some birds aren't meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright. And when they fly away, the part of you that knows it was a sin to lock them up DOES rejoice. But still, the place you live in is that much more drab and empty that they're gone.

:D
 
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Ohhhhhh REGULATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT YOU DARE BE SOUR!!! CLAP FOR YOUR WORLD FAMOUS TWO TIME CHAMPS AND FEEEELLLLLL THE POOOOWWWWWAAAAAHH
 
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GAVol said:
Definitely have never seen anything like that.
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Closest thing to it I can think of is the Ric Flair retirement, but even it was noticeably different.

I thought it was weird that I didn't see Kane out there with everyone. Cool shoutout for Bryan to break kayfabe and mention how intellectually smart Kane is though.

I just find it curious that whatever the test results in NY revealed were apparently so strikingly different than the UCLA and Arizona results that cleared him to wrestle. I was impressed that he was given such free reign.
 
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volfanbill said:
I agree. not just a great real wrestler, but a great sports entertainment professional. Had more moves than anybody. No one touches Angle when it comes to skillset imo.
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If memory serves me, there is a website that ranks wrestling matches similarly to movies from multiple guys in the business, and I believe Angle has the most 5 star matches of any wrestler. Yes, its an objective thing still, but Angle was one of those guys who just always seemed to be in good matches no matter when or where it was.

I still think the match Cena debuted against Angle was one of the best free matches I've seen in my life.
 
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Daloth said:
If memory serves me, there is a website that ranks wrestling matches similarly to movies from multiple guys in the business, and I believe Angle has the most 5 star matches of any wrestler. Yes, its an objective thing still, but Angle was one of those guys who just always seemed to be in good matches no matter when or where it was.

I still think the match Cena debuted against Angle was one of the best free matches I've seen in my life.
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I would say both Angle and Benoit were better than Bryan as a "pure wrestler". What made Bryan special was his energy and spirit. He had great moves and I was a big fan don't get me wrong, but I don't see how anyone can put him in the ballpark of Angle. But, of course, this is all subjective. For instance, while I think he brought a lot to the table, I always thought Punk was slightly below average as a "pure wrestler". I know I'm in the minority there.
 
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volfanbill said:
I would say both Angle and Benoit were better than Bryan as a "pure wrestler". What made Bryan special was his energy and spirit. He had great moves and I was a big fan don't get me wrong, but I don't see how anyone can put him in the ballpark of Angle. But, of course, this is all subjective. For instance, while I think he brought a lot to the table, I always thought Punk was slightly below average as a "pure wrestler". I know I'm in the minority there.
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I think Pure Wrestler is too objective of a term. We use that a lot to talk about indy guys but I feel there are two different types of this.

There's "Wrestling" which is the Greco Roman style that guys like Angle and Lesnar have backgrounds in and were some of the best in the world at at one time.

Then there is "Pure Wrestling" which, to me is guys like Bryan, Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero.

When I think of "Pure Wrestling" I think of guys who can do almost anything in the ring. You need a suplex? Got it. Need a moonsault? Got it. Need a guy who can do five submission hold reversals in a row with the other guy into a botched looking finish? Got it.

I think Angle is just one of the best wrestlers of all time, both entertaining and in the traditional sense. But I never for a second expect him to pull off a Hurricanrana or a Frog Splash. When I think of guys like Bryan, Benoit, and Eddie, there isn't a single move I don't think they could do with someone on the other end able to take it.

I think Punk and Cena put on the best display of "Pure Wrestling" in this era when they had their Monday Night match with the Hurricanrana from Cena and the Tombstone from Punk, two moves you never really imagined the other could do, but they pulled off almost perfectly.

I'm not saying Angle couldn't possibly do some of that stuff, for a long time I never imagined Cena could and then he started upping his game extremely before he lost the U.S. Title, but there isn't really a maneuver that I wouldn't believe Bryan or Benoit could do if you told me they did it, with exceptions being to outright showings of physical strength involved (like Cena picking up Big Show or Mark Henry at one point.)

For reference, I feel almost this exact same way about Finn Balor and Nakamura, and even to a lesser extent AJ Styles if he truly wanted.
 
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well, Angle did a moonsault off a steel cage. And I remember a couple other moonsaults. He's also done a frog splash more than a few times. He did the Angle Slam and various suplexes off the top rope all the time.

He's even done them since in TNA after all his surgeries. He wasn't Rey Mysterio or any other cruiserweight, but he certainly wasn't afraid to pull off aerial assaults.

He was nuts. I don't recall him ever pulling off a Hurricanrana, and I will admit that Cena pulling it off was INCREDIBLE, but top to bottom, Angle was the complete package for a professional wrestler. He clearly had all the traditional moves, but he could be quick, agile and get airborne.

EDIT: The use of the term "pure wrestler" as it applies to this thread, in my mind means best overall in sports entertainment. Obviously, Angle can make a claim for an all time great in freestyle wrestling, 2 time NCAA champ, World Champ, Olympic Gold Medalist.

But he came to the world of professional wrestling and adapted flawlessly and even stepped up his game. For me, there's no one in his league as a complete professional wrestler. If that's not what we mean by "pure wrestler" as for professional wrestling, then I don't really understand the term.
 
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