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Kudos to Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, A.J. styles, Kevin Owens, Brock Leanar, and Dean Ambrose. They had good pro wrestling peformances tonight.

Piss on Ryback for ****ing up Luke Harper. It's a shame because outside of his incessant head bobbing and chest pounding, he had some moments where he looked like a Pro Wrestler. For anyone wanting to write off the entire Wyatt family, just loan me Luke Harper (hypothetically). The guy can absolutely go and I would highlight him in my company in a heartbeat. Heel as he is now, or face as a Brisco type.

It's a shame they have taken a **** all over Wyatt. Coincidentally his downfall was after being buried by John Cena at Payback 2014. Then they tried to bring Jericho in to stop the damage, rebuild the character after feeding him to John, for no reason at all, and it didn't matter. Now he's overly scripted and jobbing to everyone on the roster.

I don't understand how hard it is to see that Roman Reigns is THE mold for a heel in this company. He wears black, he's jacked, his move set is methodical and powerful, minus the superman punch, and he actually draws pretty damn good heat with anyone above the age of 22 and that has a Y chromosome.

Just let the men and women's characters be a heightened version of themselves. Look at Steve Austin, The Rock, Vader, Taker (American badass), Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Randy ****ing Savage.....it's their own personality blown up for show. Reigns is by all accounts a little bit of a pretentious/entitled prick who knows he's good looking and jacked and by God, related to the Rock. Just.Be.That....Get him INTENTIONALLY booed and have him ready for the Triple Threat against super face Ambrose and monster pop returning tweener Rollins at Summerslam. It's not that ****ing hard.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
Kudos to Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, A.J. styles, Kevin Owens, Brock Leanar, and Dean Ambrose. They had good pro wrestling peformances tonight.

Piss on Ryback for ****ing up Luke Harper. It's a shame because outside of his incessant head bobbing and chest pounding, he had some moments where he looked like a Pro Wrestler. For anyone wanting to write off the entire Wyatt family, just loan me Luke Harper (hypothetically). The guy can absolutely go and I would highlight him in my company in a heartbeat. Heel as he is now, or face as a Brisco type.

It's a shame they have taken a **** all over Wyatt. Coincidentally his downfall was after being buried by John Cena at Payback 2014. Then they tried to bring Jericho in to stop the damage, rebuild the character after feeding him to John, for no reason at all, and it didn't matter. Now he's overly scripted and jobbing to everyone on the roster.

I don't understand how hard it is to see that Roman Reigns is THE mold for a heel in this company. He wears black, he's jacked, his move set is methodical and powerful, minus the superman punch, and he actually draws pretty damn good heat with anyone above the age of 22 and that has a Y chromosome.

Just let the men and women's characters be a heightened version of themselves. Look at Steve Austin, The Rock, Vader, Taker (American badass), Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Randy ****ing Savage.....it's their own personality blown up for show. Reigns is by all accounts a little bit of a pretentious/entitled prick who knows he's good looking and jacked and by God, related to the Rock. Just.Be.That....Get him INTENTIONALLY booed and have him ready for the Triple Threat against super face Ambrose and monster pop returning tweener Rollins at Summerslam. It's not that ****ing hard.
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when Rollins returns, he'll be the faciest face of all faces
 
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Is there proof ryback botched the spot? It looked clean

Also, if you're going to say Cena was the downfall of Wyatt, you're wrong. Bryan's deceit would be the answer if you want to try that route. Even then, it's a huge reach. The downfall of Wyatt is that he never wins. Not that Mr Henley would do anything but blame Cena for everything.
 
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volfanbill said:
Is there proof ryback botched the spot? It looked clean

Also, if you're going to say Cena was the downfall of Wyatt, you're wrong. Bryan's deceit would be the answer if you want to try that route. Even then, it's a huge reach. The downfall of Wyatt is that he never wins. Not that Mr Henley would do anything but blame Cena for everything.
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Nah Cena was easily the downfall of Wyatt. Wyatt actually defeated Bryan in said fued, then he moves on to be jobbed to Cena for no reason what so ever. That started his crazy losing.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
Kudos to Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, A.J. styles, Kevin Owens, Brock Leanar, and Dean Ambrose. They had good pro wrestling peformances tonight.

Piss on Ryback for ****ing up Luke Harper. It's a shame because outside of his incessant head bobbing and chest pounding, he had some moments where he looked like a Pro Wrestler. For anyone wanting to write off the entire Wyatt family, just loan me Luke Harper (hypothetically). The guy can absolutely go and I would highlight him in my company in a heartbeat. Heel as he is now, or face as a Brisco type.

It's a shame they have taken a **** all over Wyatt. Coincidentally his downfall was after being buried by John Cena at Payback 2014. Then they tried to bring Jericho in to stop the damage, rebuild the character after feeding him to John, for no reason at all, and it didn't matter. Now he's overly scripted and jobbing to everyone on the roster.

I don't understand how hard it is to see that Roman Reigns is THE mold for a heel in this company. He wears black, he's jacked, his move set is methodical and powerful, minus the superman punch, and he actually draws pretty damn good heat with anyone above the age of 22 and that has a Y chromosome.

Just let the men and women's characters be a heightened version of themselves. Look at Steve Austin, The Rock, Vader, Taker (American badass), Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Randy ****ing Savage.....it's their own personality blown up for show. Reigns is by all accounts a little bit of a pretentious/entitled prick who knows he's good looking and jacked and by God, related to the Rock. Just.Be.That....Get him INTENTIONALLY booed and have him ready for the Triple Threat against super face Ambrose and monster pop returning tweener Rollins at Summerslam. It's not that ****ing hard.
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I don't disagree with anything you said, including with Reigns. Even though the outcome wasn't good, I still think Reigns had a decent match last night. If you want to bring up the no selling last night as a mark against him, that's fine. Other than that, I thought it was a decent performance. It wasn't one of his best, but it wasn't horrible.
 
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UTK said:
Nah Cena was easily the downfall of Wyatt. Wyatt actually defeated Bryan in said fued, then he moves on to be jobbed to Cena for no reason what so ever. That started his crazy losing.
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You can't really believe that Bryan turning on Wyatt and escaping/ditching the family was less impactful than Cena, who actually did lose some to the Wyatts. The only triumph Wyatt ever had was capturing Kane. Who just mysteriously came back one day
 
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volfanbill said:
You can't really believe that Bryan turning on Wyatt and escaping/ditching the family was less impactful than Cena, who actually did lose some to the Wyatts. The only triumph Wyatt ever had was capturing Kane. Who just mysteriously came back one day
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The Cena feud was worse for the Wyatts. The reason Bryan got out of the family so quickly was to add him to the Main Event of Mania. Cena may have lost to the Wyatts once, but the blow off match in the feud was a three on one handicap where Cena crushed them a week after being squashed by Lesnar at SummerSlam.
 
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volfanbill said:
Is there proof ryback botched the spot? It looked clean

Also, if you're going to say Cena was the downfall of Wyatt, you're wrong. Bryan's deceit would be the answer if you want to try that route. Even then, it's a huge reach. The downfall of Wyatt is that he never wins. Not that Mr Henley would do anything but blame Cena for everything.
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Ryback was never carrying Harper correctly for the Shell Shock and everything I read said that Harper immediately went to the back holding his arm, with the fans in attendance saying it didn't look like he was just selling the move
 
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Vol knight said:
I don't disagree with anything you said, including with Reigns. Even though the outcome wasn't good, I still think Reigns had a decent match last night. If you want to bring up the no selling last night as a mark against him, that's fine. Other than that, I thought it was a decent performance. It wasn't one of his best, but it wasn't horrible.
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Agreed, but like in his presentation/booking, it's not what he's doing its how he's doing it. No selling, over protected, and over (incorrectly) pushed. It's the same with Cena. I don't hate everything about him, it's not what he did but how it was always done. The same trends are starting to show with Reigns and I don't want to see another decade of it. There's too much talent on the roster being wasted, including Reigns himself.
 
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Thank you to those with a little common sense in regards to the Wyatt/Cena fued and the timing with how it affected his career path.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
Agreed, but like in his presentation/booking, it's not what he's doing its how he's doing it. No selling, over protected, and over (incorrectly) pushed. It's the same with Cena. I don't hate everything about him, it's not what he did but how it was always done. The same trends are starting to show with Reigns and I don't want to see another decade of it. There's too much talent on the roster being wasted, including Reigns himself.
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No arguments here. I think people have the perception that because I'm a Reigns fan, I support the current booking/presentation of him. That is far from the truth. I want him to be booked better than he currently is, because I fear that he's on a path of failure. He's not Cena, and I wish that WWE would get that through their thick skulls.
 
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Is it more embarrassing for WWE to be inducting a pimp character into their Hall of Fame, or more embarrassing for the Godfather to be inducted after one of his hoes (Lita) ?
 
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volfanbill said:
You can't really believe that Bryan turning on Wyatt and escaping/ditching the family was less impactful than Cena, who actually did lose some to the Wyatts. The only triumph Wyatt ever had was capturing Kane. Who just mysteriously came back one day
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Uhhh. Bryan turned on him, yes. It was one of the best moments of Raw in recent memory when he was on top of the cage with massive yes chants. But Bray won that fued. He beat Bryan in a hell of a match at the rumble that year. And Bryan lost to the Wyatts a lot in general. He lost at TLC in a handicap match as he should of as well. Sooo how did the thing with Bryan hurt Bray more than being jobbed out to Cena. His match vs Cena at WM 30 could of established him, but nope. Just my opinion though. Its no bash on Cena what so ever, its just booking. Looking at Rusev since he jobbed out to Cena. Owens has stayed relevant thankfully, but he still should be way higher on the card.


Also, rumors are that Wyatt is no longer set to face Brock at WM. Apparently now Brock vs Ambrose is the match.
 
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Vol knight said:
No arguments here. I think people have the perception that because I'm a Reigns fan, I support the current booking/presentation of him. That is far from the truth. I want him to be booked better than he currently is, because I fear that he's on a path of failure. He's not Cena, and I wish that WWE would get that through their thick skulls.
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Well said. I'm a Ziggler fan (Yeah I know, bash away. Haha) And I've hated how hes been booked for oh I dont know, the past 2 and half years. I've pretty much given up on any good booking for Ziggler.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
Thank you to those with a little common sense in regards to the Wyatt/Cena fued and the timing with how it affected his career path.
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Lol. Wyatt had already lost multiple matches, then lost to Cena. Obviously it's all on Cena. Never mind that it's been the Wyatts storyline from their inception. Thanks for being biased and blind. It's kind of refreshing to see such aloofness
 
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oUTlaw said:
The Cena feud was worse for the Wyatts. The reason Bryan got out of the family so quickly was to add him to the Main Event of Mania. Cena may have lost to the Wyatts once, but the blow off match in the feud was a three on one handicap where Cena crushed them a week after being squashed by Lesnar at SummerSlam.
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To pretend like that is why he still loses every match makes me think you believe wrestling is real
 
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volfanbill said:
To pretend like that is why he still loses every match makes me think you believe wrestling is real
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I don't think he's saying that's why Wyatt still loses. No one freaking knows why. It doesn't make any sense. Booking is just retarded. He's just saying his current decline started with the Cena fued, which as you see many agree with that. Thats really all there is to it.
 
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UTK said:
I don't think he's saying that's why Wyatt still loses. No one freaking knows why. It doesn't make any sense. Booking is just retarded. He's just saying his current decline started with the Cena fued, which as you see many agree with that. Thats really all there is to it.
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But it's all in hate, which is hilarious. He didn't win the Bryan feud, Bryan double crossed him and left. But let's just blame Cena instead

Not to mention I don't think they won a match with Bryan as a member
 
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post Cena: Wyatt beat Jericho. He then won two PPVs and the feud against Ambrose. Wyatt then lost to Taker at Mania, then beat Ryback in whatever PPV. The Wyatt family then reunited to beat Roman Reigns.

Yep, It's Cena's fault.
 
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UTK said:
Well said. I'm a Ziggler fan (Yeah I know, bash away. Haha) And I've hated how hes been booked for oh I dont know, the past 2 and half years. I've pretty much given up on any good booking for Ziggler.
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I don't have a big problem with Ziggler. He's a really good worker. The only small issues I have with him is the sometimes dramatic overselling, and his gimmick.
 
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