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Wyatt's promos and his manner is so clearly "I just want to **** **** up, I don't care if I win" that anything he does is amazing, win or lose. He is the most anti establishment guy (without ever flat saying it) that we've seen in years, giving him any title would be the best dichotomy we've seen since.... uh Rusev and the U.S. title?
 
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volfanbill said:
until wrestlers like Ziggler, Wyatt, Ambrose, etc get the continued pushes they deserve, I really am done. I'll renew for Wrestlemania because it's Wrestlemania, but the if the future looks as stale and boring as it does right now, I likely won't renew my subscription and won't even watch the PPVs for only 9.99. The promos that they do cut are unnecessarily long and then half the stars that should be getting short promos to push the IC and other mid card slates are completely ignored and after a week or two of build up, they completely scrap an angle in favor of a new one. It's essentially no fun to watch. But it's tough to stay completely away because there is more potential now than since the Attitude Era. No one wants to tap into it though. And to make matters worse, ready to go big time stars in NXT are piling up in large numbers. If they aren't making room for the guys on the main roster to get real pushes, what makes me think they are going to give the guys in NXT currently a real shot?
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How long have you been watching wrestling VB?
 
#4,703
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Daloth said:
Wyatt's promos and his manner is so clearly "I just want to **** **** up, I don't care if I win" that anything he does is amazing, win or lose. He is the most anti establishment guy (without ever flat saying it) that we've seen in years, giving him any title would be the best dichotomy we've seen since.... uh Rusev and the U.S. title?
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I remember whining about his booking last year and some of it has merit, but the guy is so good at his message and character he doesn't have to win every single time.
 
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e-VOL-ution2013 said:
How long have you been watching wrestling VB?
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I've kept up with it my whole life. From a kid in the mid to late '80s through now. The Hogan years and the Attitude were must watch TV, and it was again for like the past 4-5. Now not so much. I'll keep up with it via the internet, but it's not a thing to be home on Monday nights anymore. Just not worth it.
 
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zjcvols said:
I remember whining about his booking last year and some of it has merit, but the guy is so good at his message and character he doesn't have to win every single time.
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I dunno, back when you made those booking remarks last year, it seemed they were just priming him up. But now it's like a year later and he still hasn't been primed for anything. If he's this life changer, difference making type persona, shouldn't he, you know, change lives? They just let Rowan and Harper go and other than that little tease at RR, they don't even pretend to have ever existed together.
 
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volfanbill said:
I dunno, back when you made those booking remarks last year, it seemed they were just priming him up. But now it's like a year later and he still hasn't been primed for anything. If he's this life changer, difference making type persona, shouldn't he, you know, change lives? They just let Rowan and Harper go and other than that little tease at RR, they don't even pretend to have ever existed together.
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This is something that I thought was really dumb with the split up of the Wyatt family. I thought that they should have been treated like a cult and have new members join. Build a large faction with Bray as the cult leader.
 
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volfanbill said:
I've kept up with it my whole life. From a kid in the mid to late '80s through now. The Hogan years and the Attitude were must watch TV, and it was again for like the past 4-5. Now not so much. I'll keep up with it via the internet, but it's not a thing to be home on Monday nights anymore. Just not worth it.
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I thought so. I been watching it since the mid 80's, The reason I asked is because I notice that most of us that have watched wrestling from that era have a hard time connecting to the wrestling today. Storylines, characters, and booking are all done so different that its just not something we relate to or understand. Personally I think the day thy broke Kayfabe they killed wrestling.
 
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Maybe this is old news to y'all, but I found it interesting.

Paul Heyman's dad was as WWII Navy Vet and his mom was a Holocaust survivor. What a family to grow up in!
 
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They still need to build on the Holy-Crap-The-Dean-Ambrose-Character-Is-The-Wrestling-Version-of-Heath-Ledger's-Joker...cause that's exactly what he is. And he's incredible at it. I'd love to see the Wyatt Family reform and Dean Ambrose start a heel stable, but where both are loved and hated at the same time, and have them go at it. One of those feuds that's kind of like the different Christian denominations: trying to achieve the same thing, but believing their way is the right way. Both want to reek havoc, but can't stand that another is reeking more havoc than them.
 
#4,711
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I don't understand how they are going to have Cena carry and eentually drop the lowest singles title in the company, it's just weird.

*you could have a summer slam or weaker PPV card with a battle royal with the winner becoming the new U.S. Champ, citing 'democracy' 'blue collar' 'fight for the right' type rah rah build, but again, why is your self made 10-year superhuman dropping the U.S. Title?
 
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Mr_Henley said:
I don't understand how they are going to have Cena carry and eentually drop the lowest singles title in the company, it's just weird.

*you could have a summer slam or weaker PPV card with a battle royal with the winner becoming the new U.S. Champ, citing 'democracy' 'blue collar' 'fight for the right' type rah rah build, but again, why is your self made 10-year superhuman dropping the U.S. Title?
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I'm guessing he doesn't win it
 
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e-VOL-ution2013 said:
I thought so. I been watching it since the mid 80's, The reason I asked is because I notice that most of us that have watched wrestling from that era have a hard time connecting to the wrestling today. Storylines, characters, and booking are all done so different that its just not something we relate to or understand. Personally I think the day thy broke Kayfabe they killed wrestling.
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I can connect to a lot of the wrestlers. It just seems they are hanging on to old story lines too long and older wrestlers. By all counts, Kane is a great guy. He has no business as Corporate Kane though. Let him hang 'em up. If Big Show hasn't saved enough to protect his family by now, he's never going to. Hang 'em up Show. Mark Henry, actually retire. Mercury and Noble aren't wrestlers anymore for a reason. The Authority can bring in some young blood goons to do their dirty work instead of all those guys mentioned above. And it gets the new talent over as heels. But, most importantly, as I've mentioned before, instead of having some random guy suddenly become #1 contender for the IC Belt or US Belt develop rivalries and storylines to push a rank system to see who fights the champ. Ambrose, Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro, Miz, etc going after one another to fight Barrett. Rose, Fandango, Ryback, Sandow going after one another to fight Rusev. Ben is the only bigger Cena fan than me here, but there's no reason to push his as the guy to beat Rusev. If a young guy does it, instant credibility. And people won't just drop Rusev.

I don't think killing Kayfabe hurt wrestling as much as creative does. They try to still force the Kayfabe and let the storylines and titles suffer because of it. Wrestlers are going after wrestlers instead of the prized titles.
 
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crusse10 said:
I'm guessing he doesn't win it
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We know he loses unclean at Fast Lane. So he's winning by DQ or losing Clean at Wrestlemania? No way the latter happens.

I agree with you though. It was clear the plan was to feed the mega Russian heel to Cena so he can Line the ramp with marines and have Hogan tote a flag at the top of the ramp
For him... Ensuring he doesn't get boo'd out of the arena at WM.

It just doesn't make sense on how the fued ends at WM or SS without Cena with the mid card strap.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
We know he loses unclean at Fast Lane. So he's winning by DQ or losing Clean at Wrestlemania? No way the latter happens.

I agree with you though. It was clear the plan was to feed the mega Russian heel to Cena so he can Line the ramp with marines and have Hogan tote a flag at the top of the ramp
For him... Ensuring he doesn't get boo'd out of the arena at WM.

It just doesn't make sense on how the fued ends at WM or SS without Cena with the mid card strap.
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if Nikki drops the belt, I could theoretically see some weird mixed tag with the two couples competing
 
#4,716
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I know the addition of another belt is something a lot of you would hate, but I kinda wish they'd bring back the old Television Title from WCW. Some good matches came out of lower card wrestlers competing for that title. Wasn't the rule at one point that it had to be defended every week? It wasn't a prestigious title, but it was still a belt. Guys like Cesaro, Truth, Big E, and countless others that aren't in the picture for the IC or US belt would have something to fight over without being forced into tag teams. And with RAW being three hours long, it's not like you wouldn't have time for a match.
 
#4,717
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I wouldn't be against the idea, but I think they could make it work by having the US title mean something, instead of just having Rusev squash everybody. They are getting better with the IC belt, but they don't give the IC belt itself enough power. Just the holder of it.
 
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volfanbill said:
I wouldn't be against the idea, but I think they could make it work by having the US title mean something, instead of just having Rusev squash everybody. They are getting better with the IC belt, but they don't give the IC belt itself enough power. Just the holder of it.
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Taking into account a tiered system, the holder of the IC belt should be someone in line for a shot at the title, like when Warrior held the IC and faced Hogan for the Title. The holder of the US belt should be someone they're ready to push toward the IC belt. If you add in the old TV belt, then you have a title for guys getting ready to be pushed toward the US belt. I'm not saying the holders of the belts should always be the number one contender, but they should at least be considered contenders for the next belt up the chain. That's part of how they became worthless imo. You'd have wrestlers holding the IC belt who weren't even mentioned as contenders for the title. They should at least be in the picture so the belt has some meaning.
 
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Weezer said:
Taking into account a tiered system, the holder of the IC belt should be someone in line for a shot at the title, like when Warrior held the IC and faced Hogan for the Title. The holder of the US belt should be someone they're ready to push toward the IC belt. If you add in the old TV belt, then you have a title for guys getting ready to be pushed toward the US belt. I'm not saying the holders of the belts should always be the number one contender, but they should at least be considered contenders for the next belt up the chain. That's part of how they became worthless imo. You'd have wrestlers holding the IC belt who weren't even mentioned as contenders for the title. They should at least be in the picture so the belt has some meaning.
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This goes in line with what I was saying is wrong with WWE just a few posts up:

volfanbill said:
But, most importantly, as I've mentioned before, instead of having some random guy suddenly become #1 contender for the IC Belt or US Belt, develop rivalries and storylines to push a rank system to see who fights the champ. Ambrose, Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro, Miz, etc going after one another to fight Barrett. Rose, Fandango, Ryback, Sandow going after one another to fight Rusev. Ben is the only bigger Cena fan than me here, but there's no reason to push him as the guy to beat Rusev. If a young guy does it, instant credibility. And people won't just drop Rusev.

I don't think killing Kayfabe hurt wrestling as much as creative does. They try to still force the Kayfabe and let the storylines and titles suffer because of it. Wrestlers are going after wrestlers instead of the prized titles.
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If Wyatt is gonna play this cult-like leader character, he needs to steal Kane away from the Authority and bring back the monster. It would easily fit into a feud with Taker since they're kayfabe brothers. Best thing they could do for Kane if he's not going to retire.
 
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Reigns vs Bryan is just a smoke screen. Neither one of them will face Brock at Mania. They set up the real wrestlemania main event a couple weeks ago, when Brock F5'd Big Show and Kane. Brock vs Big Show vs Kane will be the Main Event at Mania.
 
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