Would you hire a head coach with a 6-14record?

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Think about guys this board has determined can't coach by their record. Chad Morris is a perfect example. Forget that he was a brilliant OC at Clemson and took over a terrible SMU program that was winless in former NFL coach June Jones last season, his record isn't pretty so we don't want him.

Another example is Gene Stallings. His record at Texas A&M was a losing one. I laughed when Bama hired him yet it took Tennessee about 6 yrs to finally beat him with some of the most talented teams in Tennessee history. Ditto Bill Curry at Alabama.

So don't just look at their record on Wikipedia and determine someone can coach or not. Oh that coach you don't want with a 6-14 record? That was Johnny Majors record at Iowa State after two years when the large majority of Vol fans wanted him to be named HC when Dickey left a loaded roster and program. Woodruff chose 28 yr old Bill Battle instead and the rest is history.
 
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The fans will get behind whoever Fulmer picks as new HC. They were more upset by who was doing the picking..

Chad Morris is a good coach. I don't think he's who Tennessee needs right now but wouoldn't be a awful hire..
 
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wmcovol said:
Think about guys this board has determined can't coach by their record. Chad Morris is a perfect example. Forget that he was a brilliant OC at Clemson and took over a terrible SMU program that was winless in former NFL coach June Jones last season, his record isn't pretty so we don't want him.

Another example is Gene Stallings. His record at Texas A&M was a losing one. I laughed when Bama hired him yet it took Tennessee about 6 yrs to finally beat him with some of the most talented teams in Tennessee history. Ditto Bill Curry at Alabama.

So don't just look at their record on Wikipedia and determine someone can coach or not. Oh that coach you don't want with a 6-14 record? That was Johnny Majors record at Iowa State after two years when the large majority of Vol fans wanted him to be named HC when Dickey left a loaded roster and program. Woodruff chose 28 yr old Bill Battle instead and the rest is history.
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If they won't make another run at Leach, I hope we hire Morris. A lot of upside and you can get him without giving him a giant buyout.
 
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A lot of people simply draw their conclusion based on the record without taking into account the context of the situation.

IMO, you base this hire on whether or not the new coach can win the East on go toe to toe with Saban.
 
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Cartervol said:
The fans will get behind whoever Fulmer picks as new HC. They were more upset by who was doing the picking.

No, if Curry had landed Gruden, Patterson, Peterson,

Mullen Frost Kelly. “They” would of loved him!!!
If Fulmer gets a bum they will not be happy
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I would have hired Mike Leach, but Fulmer shat all over that deal.
I don't know who he might have in mind, but I'm pretty damn sure it won't be a better coach than Leach.
 
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A 6-14 record is only two seasons.

Leach has been a head coach SIXTEEN YEARS with barely a .500 record (per wiki)....don't want him.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
A 6-14 record is only two seasons.

Leach has been a head coach SIXTEEN YEARS with barely a .500 record (per wiki)....don't want him.
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Just going by wiki doesn’t tell the whole story of Coach Leach. For instance, Washington State was pretty much a dumpster fire when he took over in 2012 they’re currently ranked #21

I personally wish they’d have hired him when Fulmer was fired. It is what it is, we will likely see a Kevin Steele hire trotted out upon us.
 
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I have been talking up Morris a few times on here.

9th ranked offense in the country and a winning record at SMU playing 6th fiddle in the state for recruits is pretty impressive.

The problem is he is probably holding out for a job in his home state and they have understandably been aiming higher.

Now that Fulmer has wormed his way back into power, I'd pretty much discount any coach that runs a true spread or pass first offense like Morris or Leach. He couldn't let Clawson run what he wanted on offense and save his job 10 years ago, he isn't going to step outside his comfort zone now.

I'd also discount Martin being anything other than OC here since Fulmer talked up experience yesterday in the PC.

FSU coming open and having Arkansas out their searching probably puts UT at a disadvantage as well. Both can offer as much as UT.
 
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Special Ed said:
I would have hired Mike Leach, but Fulmer shat all over that deal.
I don't know who he might have in mind, but I'm pretty damn sure it won't be a better coach than Leach.
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I agree. That one hurt more than any coach. He's been a winner everywhere. Give him access to the largest recruiting budget in America, money to upgrade coaches, and let that offensive mind go to work. It would have been scary.
 
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wmcovol said:
Think about guys this board has determined can't coach by their record. Chad Morris is a perfect example. Forget that he was a brilliant OC at Clemson and took over a terrible SMU program that was winless in former NFL coach June Jones last season, his record isn't pretty so we don't want him.

Another example is Gene Stallings. His record at Texas A&M was a losing one. I laughed when Bama hired him yet it took Tennessee about 6 yrs to finally beat him with some of the most talented teams in Tennessee history. Ditto Bill Curry at Alabama.

So don't just look at their record on Wikipedia and determine someone can coach or not. Oh that coach you don't want with a 6-14 record? That was Johnny Majors record at Iowa State after two years when the large majority of Vol fans wanted him to be named HC when Dickey left a loaded roster and program. Woodruff chose 28 yr old Bill Battle instead and the rest is history.
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Great Post with interesting Points. Superstar coaches are rare as a hens tooth. Hiring a superstar coach from another college program is almost nonexistent. Another point is that the "interviewer" is just as important to a program as the "interviewee". IMO UT is in good hands with CF. He has gained a ton of experience in the business world since his retirement and without a doubt knows what qualities one must have to hopefully suceed at a p5 program. I think the percentages are extremely high that he will hire a coach that in rhe next 2-3 years makes all of us UT fans proud of how rhe team is competing and winning and getting to nice bowls. Hiring the next "superstar" coach is a longshot because it just doesn't happen that often.
 
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Special Ed said:
I would have hired Mike Leach, but Fulmer shat all over that deal.
I don't know who he might have in mind, but I'm pretty damn sure it won't be a better coach than Leach.
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Repeating something that you heard does not make it true. Anything that comes of the national media's mouths, in about all instances, about the coaching search as it relates to the fan base has been wrong.

First off of all, the media has never understood....there was NO COACHING SEARCH. Little jimmie chose Schiano because as he says, "I choose the coach".

The number of people in the media that have called this a fan uprising or insurrection against Haslam running our program has been virtually nobody from the national media.

Clay Travis and Tony B. get it because they have lived it along with the rest of us, the UT fans.

The national media, sorry to use the term, drive-by or fly-over types, have zero idea about what has been going on here for 9 years.

But now because someone leaks a story/version and it gets repeated. It is now suppose to be gospel.

The incompetent one has been fired. If people have issues with it. Go become Cleveland Browns fans.
 
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Cartervol said:
The fans will get behind whoever Fulmer picks as new HC. They were more upset by who was doing the picking..

Chad Morris is a good coach. I don't think he's who Tennessee needs right now but wouoldn't be a awful hire..
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Not sure I can buy this. Fulmer reportedly supported Doeren. If we hire that guy, I don't care who makes the call, it's not going to go over well. Guys like Fuente, Brohm, Norvell, Campbell, etc are viable...well...maybe not Fuente, but I can dream. You just can't put go through this chit storm, obligate the program to all this buyout money, torment the team, recruits and fans with all this infighting and humiliation only to trot out Butch Jones 2.0. You just can't do that to us. Well...UT can and probably will, but I pray like heck (pun intended) that Fulmer show compassion and empathy toward this long suffering fanbase and makes a quality, exciting hire.
 
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There are always exceptions to everything. It’s easy to pick out someone who had success when it looked unlikely. But more times than not, your previous work history is a good measure of what your future will look like. I’ve said it many times, for every guy with a losing record or no experience at all that has become a great success, there are ten guys who did just the opposite. This program has one foot in the grave because of this type of thinking. We look at what they could be instead of what they actually are. This pool of coaches has been widely reported as the largest crop of good coaches in awhile and here we sit without a coach and have only made one good offer, which was declined. Gundy was the only offer worth the effort so far. Oh and Leach who we should have right now.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
A 6-14 record is only two seasons.

Leach has been a head coach SIXTEEN YEARS with barely a .500 record (per wiki)....don't want him.
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At two powerhouses of Texas Tech and Washington state, both which had to be rebuilt when he got there. Which kinda fits the scenerio we have in Knoxville
 
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Boca Vol said:
A lot of people simply draw their conclusion based on the record without taking into account the context of the situation.

IMO, you base this hire on whether or not the new coach can win the East on go toe to toe with Saban.
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Think about this. It's not just about Saban. It's about Saban, Jimbo Fisher, Mullen, Smart and maybe Lane Kiffin if another SEC picks him up.
Look at Texas A & M and take a look at Jimbo's resume. Let me put it this way. In manufacturing, you have several openings for your plant. Folks apply for the job and you are looking and separating resume for future interviews. Some resumes will be looked at and filed away never to be looked at again. Why? Because they do not and will never meet your GOALS for your company. What are your goals and how do you plan on getting there and WHO can help your company to Achieve those goals. Why is searching for a football coach be any different? One aspect of our immediate goal at UT is to WIN and be competitive in the SEC. Look around you folks. Saban, Jimbo Fisher, Mullen, and Smart are not one of those resumes you would just file away and never look at again. I hope you get my point. I really don't give a rat's ass if the new pick has UT ties or not. But can he WIN in the SEC? Can he defeat these coaches on regular bases? This is what we need to concentrate on. What are our goals and who do we need to hire to get us there? It's in Fulmer's hand and time is running out. Make a wise choice. Forget about the money and hire the best there is available based on what UT goals are. And can that person take us to the promised land of winning and recruiting? Be wise because now Mr. Fulmer you own the future of UT football.
 
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Leach is gimmick guy. Chip Kelly is a gimmick guy, will never be successful in the NFL or the SEC. We just got rid of a failed gimmick guy in Butch Jones who failed in the SEC. Leach would be a massive failure in the SEC no matter where he coached. The SEC is about power football on either side of the LOS, gimmicks fail when you get hit in the mouth over and over again.
 
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Swallow the false morality and hire Jim Tressel.
 
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Remy said:
Leach is gimmick guy. Chip Kelly is a gimmick guy, will never be successful in the NFL or the SEC. We just got rid of a failed gimmick guy in Butch Jones who failed in the SEC. Leach would be a massive failure in the SEC no matter where he coached. The SEC is about power football on either side of the LOS, gimmicks fail when you get hit in the mouth over and over again.
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The air raid offense is a gimmick? Who knew, better tell Art Briles then.
 
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Fulmer terrifies me in picking a new coach..I mean he wanted Dave Doreen and brought us the infamous clawfense that sealed his doom...If he thinks with his brain and not his heart then we will be ok but if he tries that old its gotta be a Tennessee guy then we could be doomed for a long long time...He is the type to hire a regular 7-5 8-4 type of coach and be super happy about it...I hope I'm wrong.
 
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The thing that I want to avoid most of all is a coach and AD who are happy to go to a nice bowl once every 2 or 3 years. I hope Fulmer meant what he said when he said he wanted us to be competing at the very highest levels. I will be as upset as anyone if he hires Steele as a head coach, but if he turns around recruiting, I will hold out a glimmer of hope. We will know a lot after 3 or 4 games next season.
 
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