would you consider?

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05_never_again said:
I'm not sure if that bolded part true or not. Like I said, he got top recruits at LSU through osmosis. That might be the easiest recruiting job in the country; either there or Georgia.

"Can develop talent" - he sure as hell couldn't on the offensive side of the ball.

Miles ran the program into the ground his last 3 years there and left it in worse shape than he found it. His offenses were routinely pathetic despite having highly recruited QBs/offensive linemen and RBs/WRs who have gone on to be stars in the NFL. No thanks. He should FedEx that 2007 national title to Nick Saban and was really lucky to get there as a 2-loss team.
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not considering the year he got fired since it was only 4 games into the season how can you say he ran it into the ground. he was 10-3, 8-5, 9-3 you also have to consider he was coaching in the west when you had multiple top teams in the West.
 
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ESPNHATESUS said:
not considering the year he got fired since it was only 4 games into the season how can you say he ran it into the ground. he was 10-3, 8-5, 9-3 you also have to consider he was coaching in the west when you had multiple top teams in the West.
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You have to remember that on paper his teams were as talented as Alabama. Les was not getting anywhere close to the most out of the talent he had on the offensive side of the ball.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Do I think Les could have gotten the Purdue job if he really pushed for it over Brohm? Of course. Les would have been a big name for them on the field and off the field for recruiting purposes. He would have also been a big get for them financially with donors.

There's also a reason Purdue didn't hire him either. They were able to get Brohm at a super cheap contract. Brohm is a decent coach but he isn't that great of recruiter and doesn't have national name ID.....

However, even Stevie Wonder could see the marketplace of jobs last offseason compared to this upcoming season was going to be very unequal. Les would have been a fool to go Purdue given the number of jobs that are going to be open. No one expected UF to open up this year and now it has and will create a domino effect.

Les will have way more opportunities to interview and compete for coaching vacancies this year compared to last year.

To argue otherwise is pure ignorance. However, ignorance is all you get from people who are knocking Les' record. Great coach? Not anymore. Good coach? Hell yes.
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I need whatever crystal ball he was using to see that there would be better opportunities this year.

No one knew that McElwain would be canned or even that Tennessee would be this bad. He didn't magically know not to take the Purdue job, he just wasn't picked.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
There is a REASON nobody has hired him..Yet some fans have this opinion he is a godsend...He's not and that's why all these schools with openings are NOT considering him.
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How do you know no one is talking to him for a job as HC. Look at his lifetime achievements in the coaching field. He is a PROVEN winner in the SEC. Is he going to win every game every Sat? Absolutely not. No one does. Even Saban know each Sat they walk onto the field someone somewhere can beat Alabama. He is more qualified that some of the names I hear being thrown out there. Some with no experience at all in the SEC. Les Miles would be a great pick...
 
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05_never_again said:
You have to remember that on paper his teams were as talented as Alabama. Les was not getting anywhere close to the most out of the talent he had on the offensive side of the ball.
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considering he was playing Alabama every year like we do I consider 10-3 9-4 pretty good years. Yes the 8-5 year would be a down year but he should still be considered a viable option we could get 6 more years out of a coach(not saying we need Miles) who is in their low 60's and have an oc or dc that is a head coach in waiting. Tn needs to just open their pocketbooks more when hiring coaches and coordinators.
 
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In just two days Les Miles will be 65 years old.

Realistically, how many years could we expect to get from him as HC?

We need someone now who we can get at least ten years out of. Someone who can win, stabilize the program and whose tangible legacy of football excellence will endure beyond our lifetimes.

I don't see that being established with a HC in the twilight of his coaching career.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I said, his record against ranked competition and overall speaks for itself. Miles can recruit, knows what it takes to win big in the SEC and can develop talent. He has everything we are looking for. But dont let facts get in your way.
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Would much prefer Mullen.
 
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ESPNHATESUS said:
considering he was playing Alabama every year like we do I consider 10-3 9-4 pretty good years. Yes the 8-5 year would be a down year but he should still be considered a viable option we could get 6 more years out of a coach(not saying we need Miles) who is in their low 60's and have an oc or dc that is a head coach in waiting. Tn needs to just open their pocketbooks more when hiring coaches and coordinators.
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Yeah, except we aren't as talented as Alabama. LSU under Miles was and he went winless against from from 2012 until he was fired.

You have to separate the 2005 - 2011 Les Miles from the 2012 - 2016 Les Miles. That team was never the same after he lost the national title to Alabama. He went 15-11 (.577) in SEC play during his last 3+ years there, which is not sterling at all given the talent he had. He lost to a lot of teams other than Alabama. He's also two days from his 64th birthday and I question how long he would stay. Again, no thanks.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yeah, except we aren't as talented as Alabama. LSU under Miles was and he went winless against from from 2012 until he was fired.

You have to separate the 2005 - 2011 Les Miles from the 2012 - 2016 Les Miles. That team was never the same after he lost the national title to Alabama. He went 15-11 (.577) in SEC play during his last 3+ years there, which is not sterling at all given the talent he had. He lost to a lot of teams other than Alabama. He's also two days from his 64th birthday and I question how long he would stay. Again, no thanks.
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everyone pretty much has a losing record against saban. there is not many teams that can beat him on a regular basis so it does not make sense to separate before and after. right now until saban retires you are not going to have a winning streak against bama.
 
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ESPNHATESUS said:
everyone pretty much has a losing record against saban. there is not many teams that can beat him on a regular basis so it does not make sense to separate before and after. right now until saban retires you are not going to have a winning streak against bama.
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I'm not saying have a winning record against Saban...I'm just saying he didn't beat him period after the 2011 "Game of the Century" despite having a very comparable level of talent. And he lost a bunch of other games he shouldn't have and generally underachieved.

Believe it or not, Miles was actually 3-2 against Saban from 2007 - 2011. Something happened to that program after they lost the national title to Alabama. They haven't been the same since.
 
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ESPNHATESUS said:
A coach who is 141-55 71% win percentage, 8-6 in bowl games and 1-1 in national championship games. He has 16 years head coaching experience and 4 of those years are 8 wins or less

Comparasion to Nick Saban 77% 214-61-1 coaching for 24 years head coaching 7 years with 8 wins or less 10-8 in bowl games 5-1 in national championship games.
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I would consider chip Kelly , tee martin or Scott Frost
 
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Miles would be the best fit for Tennessee right now.

The age is not perfect, but Tennessee needs a proven winner right now.

And Tennessee fans need to realize in today's college football. Coaches aren't going to leave good paying jobs for just a few more $$$ and have to put out Butch's dumpster fire.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
There is a REASON nobody has hired him..Yet some fans have this opinion he is a godsend...He's not and that's why all these schools with openings are NOT considering him.
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You know for a fact he hasn't been contacted by any schools? Maybe he doesn't have to jump on the first school who offers. Maybe he is being choosy, I don't know myself since he doesn't confide in me. He would be an good improvement over the current situation.
 
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vols1707 said:
I agree on Chip

Frost over Tee right now
But can Tennessee afford to make the 4th in a row up and commer hire?

The last 3 hires have been that.

All of them train wrecks
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I wouldnt call Butch a train wreck. He has at least served a purpose here and brought in some solid recruits. Now if he doesnt get fired after Vandy then yes he will drive us right back into a train wreck
 
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ProudVOLfan said:
I wouldnt call Butch a train wreck. He has at least served a purpose here and brought in some solid recruits. Now if he doesnt get fired after Vandy then yes he will drive us right back into a train wreck
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There was a time where I loooked at Butch as the right fit short term to shore up the program.

Time has proven that he recruited the same as Dooley.

And won 9 games 2 years in a row with Talent that a good coach could have won 11-12 games with.

Last two years Tennessee was supremely talented & poorly coached. 2015-2016
 
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VOLnMiami said:
There is a REASON nobody has hired him..Yet some fans have this opinion he is a godsend...He's not and that's why all these schools with openings are NOT considering him.
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He has been out one year. If he isn't coaching in 18 somewhere then I'd agree. He isn't an A list hire but he is a B caliber coach. We can get better but we can do a ton worse than Les Miles. Id almost expect a B list hire based off our schools history hiring coaches mixed with other big Schools we will be competing against to hire a coach. That paired with A list coaches that will not leave their current situations.
 
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vols1707 said:
There was a time where I loooked at Butch as the right fit short term to shore up the program.

Time has proven that he recruited the same as Dooley.

And won 9 games 2 years in a row with Talent that a good coach could have won 11-12 games with.

Last two years Tennessee was supremely talented & poorly coached. 2015-2016
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Looking at the numbers between the 2 it is hard to argue your point. I think Butch has the edge a little but then again Dooley never got beat 41-0 at home :)
 
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ProudVOLfan said:
Looking at the numbers between the 2 it is hard to argue your point. I think Butch has the edge a little but then again Dooley never got beat 41-0 at home :)
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Haha yea Butch brought some life and energy into the program that masked a lot of problems.

But after orange pants, orange dog, and shower displine.

He didn't have to try that hard. 😂
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
I need to eat some grass while wearing an abnormally large hat and then get back with the OP.
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Hey the struggle of us large headed people is real!

Those tiny hats that fold into your pocket just don't fit us head types. I feel Miles pain there.

The grass thing??? I can't speak to that, I'm more of a hay straw man myself.
 
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yuenglinguy78 said:
I need whatever crystal ball he was using to see that there would be better opportunities this year.

No one knew that McElwain would be canned or even that Tennessee would be this bad. He didn't magically know not to take the Purdue job, he just wasn't picked.
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There were 4 coaches in SEC on the hot seat coming into 2017 after the 2016 regular season ended. Then Ole Miss and Florida opened up. Even if Butch, Sumlin, Bielema, and Gus had cooled the hot seat, Les would have been a fool to take Purdue when he could atleast have a chance to land another SEC job. Basic Economics.

Secondly, he wasnÂ’t picked at Purdue because they wanted cheap and up and comer. Les is neither of the two and they are suffering because of it. Notice the Brohm talk has majorly been quiet as of late?
 
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HereÂ’s the real question: would you take him over Butch 2018 or a google coach? Because those two are looking more likely every day.
 
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