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A coach who is 141-55 71% win percentage, 8-6 in bowl games and 1-1 in national championship games. He has 16 years head coaching experience and 4 of those years are 8 wins or less

Comparasion to Nick Saban 77% 214-61-1 coaching for 24 years head coaching 7 years with 8 wins or less 10-8 in bowl games 5-1 in national championship games.
 
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NO!!!



Actually I don't have an opinion, just thought it was a Forum Rule for someone to say No to every person mentioned?? :blink::blink:



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Sure. I'd consider it. But would also consider the shape of the program when he got it. The shape of the program when he left it. The reason he either isn't coaching now or is available to coach for us. The age of the coach and what potential he brings. Who were the players that were there and how did they develop. Also would consider his coaching philosophies and other aspects.
Records aren't everything. Gene Chizic was 3 for 3 in bowl games and 1 for 1 in National Championships but I wouldn't want him for anything more than a coordinator at best.
 
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Les would be good fit at Ole Mess to pilot them through their upcoming NCAA issues. I image he is on their AD short list. They will probably offer Norvell first. Listening to reported from Memphis Commercial Appeal yesterday, he was of the opinion that Norvell was better than Fuente. He said Memphis' AD was pissed at rumors FL talking to Norvell or his reps. He did say he thought Norvell would leave Memphis in a heartbeat if offered the "right" job/situation. I have no doubt he'd take the TN job if offered.
 
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illvol said:
Sure. I'd consider it. But would also consider the shape of the program when he got it. The shape of the program when he left it. The reason he either isn't coaching now or is available to coach for us. The age of the coach and what potential he brings. Also would consider his coaching philosophies and other aspects.
Records aren't everything. Gene Chizic was 3 for 3 in bowl games and 1 for 1 in National Championships but I wouldn't want him for anything more than a coordinator at best.
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There is a ton to consider beyond any single thing, I agree. We're about to fire a coach that has left the program in better shape in which he left it, so even doing that alone doesn't guarantee job security.

Ultimately what guarantees job security is that the trajectory of the program has to be headed up (regardless of record) or, if you're already at the top, you need to stay there with allowances for minor variability. In other words, in years where you don't win titles you need to be in contention for them, and you can't go too long without winning one.
 
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ESPNHATESUS said:
A coach who is 141-55 71% win percentage, 8-6 in bowl games and 1-1 in national championship games. He has 16 years head coaching experience and 4 of those years are 8 wins or less

Comparasion to Nick Saban 77% 214-61-1 coaching for 24 years head coaching 7 years with 8 wins or less 10-8 in bowl games 5-1 in national championship games.
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This is funny. You are using "4 of those years are 8 wins or less" as a negative to Les even though 3 of those seasons occurred before Les was even a national name and powerhouse.

Because of his run at LSU, there is no sane reason to include his time at Oklahoma State to assess his record.

However, I have seen it all with crazies on here. People are desperate if they are going all the way back to Stillwater to knock Les....
 
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Absolutely and Miles is near the top of my list. His record speaks for itself, especially against ranked opponents. If he had a good staff, I could see us getting back to the days when winning 9 games was considered a down year. Miles has everything we are looking for.
 
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There is a REASON nobody has hired him..Yet some fans have this opinion he is a godsend...He's not and that's why all these schools with openings are NOT considering him.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
There is a REASON nobody has hired him..Yet some fans have this opinion he is a godsend...He's not and that's why all these schools with openings are NOT considering him.
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Exactly what I was thinking. If he is so great why isn't he coaching already? Or is he so arrogant he won't take anything unless it's a Power 5 school.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Absolutely and Miles is near the top of my list. His record speaks for itself, especially against ranked opponents. If he had a good staff, I could see us getting back to the days when winning 9 games was considered a down year. Miles has everything we are looking for.
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Miles was Fulmer 2.0 his last 3 years at LSU. Ran a stone age offense, never developed a QB, and it was LSU so he could recruit guys by osmosis. He wouldn't do well at Tennessee.
 
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yuenglinguy78 said:
Exactly what I was thinking. If he is so great why isn't he coaching already? Or is he so arrogant he won't take anything unless it's a Power 5 school.
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Do I think Les could have gotten the Purdue job if he really pushed for it over Brohm? Of course. Les would have been a big name for them on the field and off the field for recruiting purposes. He would have also been a big get for them financially with donors.

There's also a reason Purdue didn't hire him either. They were able to get Brohm at a super cheap contract. Brohm is a decent coach but he isn't that great of recruiter and doesn't have national name ID.....

However, even Stevie Wonder could see the marketplace of jobs last offseason compared to this upcoming season was going to be very unequal. Les would have been a fool to go Purdue given the number of jobs that are going to be open. No one expected UF to open up this year and now it has and will create a domino effect.

Les will have way more opportunities to interview and compete for coaching vacancies this year compared to last year.

To argue otherwise is pure ignorance. However, ignorance is all you get from people who are knocking Les' record. Great coach? Not anymore. Good coach? Hell yes.
 
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05_never_again said:
Miles was Fulmer 2.0 his last 3 years at LSU. Ran a stone age offense, never developed a QB, and it was LSU so he could recruit guys by osmosis. He wouldn't do well at Tennessee.
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Les would be the best coach in the SEC East by a good margin. Even better than Kirby.

Also, for him to get another big job, he would have to change his philosophy. An Athletic Director could ensure that happens before hiring. He can't keep the same philosophy on offense and get another big job.

So its pretty simple. Les getting a big job means he and the AD had a come to Jesus meeting and Les has adapted his philosophy.
 
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05_never_again said:
Miles was Fulmer 2.0 his last 3 years at LSU. Ran a stone age offense, never developed a QB, and it was LSU so he could recruit guys by osmosis. He wouldn't do well at Tennessee.
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Like I said, his record against ranked competition and overall speaks for itself. Miles can recruit, knows what it takes to win big in the SEC and can develop talent. He has everything we are looking for. But dont let facts get in your way.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I said, his record against ranked competition and overall speaks for itself. Miles can recruit, knows what it takes to win big in the SEC and can develop talent. He has everything we are looking for. But dont let facts get in your way.
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There’s no reason to think a 64 year old Miles can build up the program.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
This is funny. You are using "4 of those years are 8 wins or less" as a negative to Les even though 3 of those seasons occurred before Les was even a national name and powerhouse.

Because of his run at LSU, there is no sane reason to include his time at Oklahoma State to assess his record.

However, I have seen it all with crazies on here. People are desperate if they are going all the way back to Stillwater to knock Les....
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I wasn't using those 4 years as a negative to him. Most people on here knock a coach if they do not have 8 wins or more so that was a basis I went by to consider a good season. I think the ones dismissing Les are not considering him with an open mind. You have to look at all their coaching stops when considering so yes it is a sane reason o put Ok State record in there. Yes a bad OC hire got him fired at LSU and that is what has gotten a lot of coaches fired but I think we get too complacent on winning 9+ wins and scoring 40 points a game.
 
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ESPNHATESUS said:
A coach who is 141-55 71% win percentage, 8-6 in bowl games and 1-1 in national championship games. He has 16 years head coaching experience and 4 of those years are 8 wins or less

Comparasion to Nick Saban 77% 214-61-1 coaching for 24 years head coaching 7 years with 8 wins or less 10-8 in bowl games 5-1 in national championship games.
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I'd hire Fulmer before Les Miles. Fulmer had a higher winning percentage (74.5% vs 71.9%). Fulmer was undefeated in national title games and Fulmer didn't win a title with Saban's players. Fulmer didn't have the built in recruiting advantages than Miles had with Louisiana talent either.
 
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yuenglinguy78 said:
Exactly what I was thinking. If he is so great why isn't he coaching already? Or is he so arrogant he won't take anything unless it's a Power 5 school.
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glad to know that you know exactly why he isn't coaching. I guess they should hire you for the search firm.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I said, his record against ranked competition and overall speaks for itself. Miles can recruit, knows what it takes to win big in the SEC and can develop talent. He has everything we are looking for. But dont let facts get in your way.
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I'm not sure if that bolded part true or not. Like I said, he got top recruits at LSU through osmosis. That might be the easiest recruiting job in the country; either there or Georgia.

"Can develop talent" - he sure as hell couldn't on the offensive side of the ball.

Miles ran the program into the ground his last 3 years there and left it in worse shape than he found it. His offenses were routinely pathetic despite having highly recruited QBs/offensive linemen and RBs/WRs who have gone on to be stars in the NFL. No thanks. He should FedEx that 2007 national title to Nick Saban and was really lucky to get there as a 2-loss team.
 
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