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Would it have made a difference if we would have hired Les Miles, Gene Chizik or other head coaches who were available at the time CJP was selected? Would they have brought something to the table that CJP does not?
 
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HoopCreekVol said:
Would it have made a difference if we would have hired Les Miles, Gene Chizik or other head coaches who were available at the time CJP was selected? Would they have brought something to the table that CJP does not?
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If you think our offense is bad now, I shudder when I think what it would have been like under Les.

As for Chiz, that answer would depend upon if he's bringing a Cam Newton-type transfer QB with him.
 
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and as far as Cam goes

We all saw what Gene is like when he does not have a generational type player.
He was fired at Auburn
He was fired at UNC
 
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Someone.....sure....those two.....I don’t know.

Sometimes it doesn’t take a great coach very long to turn around the fortunes of a down program. However, you would have to have found, a great coach.......and you would have had to pay them a lot......a whole lot more than Tennessee was prepared to pay.

With low budget coaches it would take a minute (usually) no doubt.......the process.....brick by brick....and all that Jazz. However you can usually spot what you have if your looking and not orange blinded.

If things are progressing, if the team is competing, if the team has motivation and discipline, if the recruiting is good, ect.....hey trust that process........if it ain’t.......you probably know what you got in that coach.
 
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JoAllan said:
Someone.....sure....those two.....I don’t know.

Sometimes it doesn’t take a great coach very long to turn around the fortunes of a down program. However, you would have to have found, a great coach.......and you would have had to pay them a lot......a whole lot more than Tennessee was prepared to pay.

With low budget coaches it would take a minute (usually) no doubt.......the process.....brick by brick....and all that Jazz. However you can usually spot what you have if your looking and not orange blinded.

If things are progressing, if the team is competing, if the team has motivation and discipline, if the recruiting is good, ect.....hey trust that process........if it ain’t.......you probably know what you got in that coach.
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And I think everyone knew we had a good coach (competing, recruiting, etc) until the second half of the Georgia game. Now suddenly Pruitt’s a bust.

Amazing how quickly a fan base can turn on you.
 
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Chizik? Really?

Miles was 3-9 last year at KU and could very win no games this year. Miles was able to pull talent to LSU... then underperform that talent most of the time. UT doesn't need another guy like that.

Pruitt may not be the answer... but neither of these guys is either.
 
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HoopCreekVol said:
Would it have made a difference if we would have hired Les Miles, Gene Chizik or other head coaches who were available at the time CJP was selected? Would they have brought something to the table that CJP does not?
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Gene Chizik is not a good HC. Les Miles would definitely be an upgrade to CJP, but very doubtful the answer we need. CJP is recruiting well so...I think all we can do is be hopeful next year is covid free and our younger guys actually get some development.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
And I think everyone knew we had a good coach (competing, recruiting, etc) until the second half of the Georgia game. Now suddenly Pruitt’s a bust.

Amazing how quickly a fan base can turn on you.
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Uh.....not everyone.

I certainly didn’t think Tennessee had a good one.

Competing.....consistently....no.....see all those blow out losses, and those losses to lesser teams.

Discipline.....certainly not.

Recruiting....check.

Consistent improvement.....no

Also throw in there stubbornness.

One out of all those things doesn’t make me see “great coach.”

I was “out” and could see what I saw after the Vandy game year 1. I’ve still been seeing more of the same. Tennessee gained some consistency the latter part of last season....which was great. However Tennessee was certainly playing lesser competition and have since reverted back to the inconsistency.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
Should have fired Butch a month earlier and wrapped up Mullen with an MOU but I digress
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The timing of firing Butch had nothing to do with missing Mullen. We had ample time to get something done with Mullen but Currie misread the amount of leverage that Mullen had once Chip Kelly started to lean towards UCLA. By the time we got back in touch with Mullen after the 72 hours of silence, the situation changed at UF.

Ultimately, our decision makers really wanted Schiano. They thought that they had cover from the Mullen "miss" but they completely misread the temperature of our fanbase.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think Mullen was playing the waiting game regardless.
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Mullen was leaving Starkville pretty much no matter what. Those around the MSU program have indicated that Mullen put absolutely no time in preparing for the 2017 Egg Bowl. Mullen was upset that his former boss Stricklin did not have him as first (or second choice) at UF. The question (that we do not know the answer to) is if we had given him the acceptable contractual parameters early the week of the Egg Bowl, would have he agreed? By the time we did that (and the parameters were so bad he couldnt get us and UF into a bidding war), the Chip Kelly to UCLA noise began to increase.
 
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HoopCreekVol said:
Would it have made a difference if we would have hired Les Miles, Gene Chizik or other head coaches who were available at the time CJP was selected? Would they have brought something to the table that CJP does not?
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Yes, unfortunately Fulmer isn't going to go after certain guys for whatever silly reasoning
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Mullen was leaving Starkville pretty much no matter what. Those around the MSU program have indicated that Mullen put absolutely no time in preparing for the 2017 Egg Bowl. Mullen was upset that his former boss Stricklin did not have him as first (or second choice) at UF. The question (that we do not know the answer to) is if we had given him the acceptable contractual parameters early the week of the Egg Bowl, would have he agreed?
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I think Mullen ended up where he wanted to be if given the choice, so no. I think he was waiting it out.
 
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Les is on the backside of his career. He would have made better sense earlier but he had a good job then.

Cheezit hasn't coached since the last year Dooley was employed at UT (2012) for a reason.

He rode a bought QB to one great year. He was average to bad the rest of the time at AU.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
And I think everyone knew we had a good coach (competing, recruiting, etc) until the second half of the Georgia game. Now suddenly Pruitt’s a bust.

Amazing how quickly a fan base can turn on you.
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He was on the hot seat halfway through last season and then we got the trash part of the schedule and we squeaked out some close ones against KY and Mizzou en route to a 1-point comeback victory over the mighty Hoosiers in the Gator Bowl and some bucket of dumbasses decided he wasn't the same guy who lost to Ga State and BYU.
 
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JoAllan said:
Uh.....not everyone.

I certainly didn’t think Tennessee had a good one.

Competing.....consistently....no.....see all those blow out losses, and those losses to lesser teams.

Discipline.....certainly not.

Recruiting....check.

Consistent improvement.....no

Also throw in there stubbornness.

One out of all those things doesn’t make me see “great coach.”

I was “out” and could see what I saw after the Vandy game year 1. I’ve still been seeing more of the same. Tennessee gained some consistency the latter part of last season....which was great. However Tennessee was certainly playing lesser competition and have since reverted back to the inconsistency.
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We had one blowout loss in 2019, and that was to a UGA team that would have been playoff bound had they not lost a fluke game to SC (who we blew out).

Edit: sorry two blowout losses. I forgot about Florida in the swamp.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
And I think everyone knew we had a good coach (competing, recruiting, etc) until the second half of the Georgia game. Now suddenly Pruitt’s a bust.

Amazing how quickly a fan base can turn on you.
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Yeah, and some of us who can walk and chew gum at the same time didn't get excited about that big 8-game win streak. We just looked at the competition.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think Mullen ended up where he wanted to be if given the choice, so no. I think he was waiting it out.
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My impression at the time while Mullen was not on Florida's front burner, he was definitely interested in a good Tennessee offer. If our guys had acted quick and smart, they could have had him. Water under the bridge. Pruitt is our Coach, and there is hope for his working the program up to speed. He is not a Moon shot, but I still think he's a good coach who might get us there.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
We had one blowout loss in 2019, and that was to a UGA team that would have been playoff bound had they not lost a fluke game to SC (who we blew out).

Edit: sorry two blowout losses. I forgot about Florida in the swamp.
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Point is, He has already had 12 (blow out type losses) and lost a couple others Tennessee had no business losing.

There really hasn’t been consistency.

There certainly looks like a lack of discipline.

There have been multiple games where Tennessee lacked motivation.

“If” your getting blown out at home by Kentucky in year 3.....you really think year 4.....will somehow make Pruitt MUCH better? Tennessee can improve in talent year over year......but I’m confident Pruitt is the coach he will be in years 5 and 7.
 
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