Worst case QB scenario

#26
#26
droski said:
did you see his little tantrum during the California high school championship game? this kid will be a bust. trust me. HUGE ego. Thinks he is god.
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That would make me happier, there is definitely no dobut about that.
 
#27
#27
Lexvol said:
You are correct 67. The defense was atrocious and the offensive game plan was even worse. That is the game that took the wind out of my sails regarding playcalling.
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It cracks me up that so many people think we would have won that game if Ainge had been under center. We still wouldn't have stopped McFadden, our receivers still wouldn't have gotten open, and our O-Line still would have been destroyed.
 
#28
#28
kptvol said:
It cracks me up that so many people think we would have won that game if Ainge had been under center. We still wouldn't have stopped McFadden, our receivers still wouldn't have gotten open, and our O-Line still would have been destroyed.
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We were completely unprepared for that football game, and we were outmatched in the trenches all day long. Ainge or no Ainge a "perfect storm" would have resulted in a pounding.
 
#29
#29
Lexvol said:
We were completely unprepared for that football game, and we were outmatched in the trenches all day long. Ainge or no Ainge a "perfect storm" would have resulted in a pounding.
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As immobile as Ainge is, he likely would have been injured in that game, anyway.
 
#31
#31
tvolsfan said:
I still think with Ainge, we could have taken LSU.
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He looked like crap when he was in the game. Not that it was really his fault. That LSU D-line was dominant. Crompton's scrambles were probably our best chance. Russell's 4 trillion mistakes also helped.
 
#33
#33
The worst case scenario for me would be Ainge throwing for less than 2,500 yards and 20 touchdowns.
 
#34
#34
Bottom line is this.......It doesn't matter who the QB is if the OL can't protect and can't run block. Football games are won up front on both sides of the ball, if the line play is solid we will be successfull, if not ....well it's hard to throw laying on your back. Ainge is battle tested and talented and is the man right now but Crompton is talented and tough and is very capable of getting it done, with good OL play either one can lead us to a great season.
 
#35
#35
kptvol said:
He looked like crap when he was in the game. Not that it was really his fault. That LSU D-line was dominant. Crompton's scrambles were probably our best chance. Russell's 4 trillion mistakes also helped.
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I think his injury may have had something to do with that. It was harder for him to throw.
 
#36
#36
Well, only one fan's opinion, but.....

* Crompton didn't lose the LSU game. The defense (pronounced "lack of late game defense") lost it. Crompton handed the game to the defense; they promptly handed it back to LSU.

* Crompton, Ainge, or Manning. Take your pick against Arkansas, and we still get smoked. Combination of poor play-calling, and just flat out getting our a** handed to us by a more physical Hog team.

* Ainge is probably the better QB. For now. But if that no-huddle offense tanks, and Ainge ends up running for his life a lot, then you'd have to think that Crompton is a viable option. Hey, he has fewer fumbles than Foster, right?

* Has anyone considered the possibility that shedding the fullback, and the I-formation, in favor of the no-huddle might be a reaction to the fact that the coaches know our OL won't be much, if any, better at run blocking this year? Food for thought.

* If our no-huddle ends up looking like the spread option look that's all the rage these days, we should be okay. Coker has the speed to make that first guy miss, and that could be a huge plus. If not, and if the OL doesn't make big strides.....

Go Vols.
 
#37
#37
kptvol said:
It cracks me up that so many people think we would have won that game if Ainge had been under center. We still wouldn't have stopped McFadden, our receivers still wouldn't have gotten open, and our O-Line still would have been destroyed.
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Very good point. Houston shut down Meachem and McFadden ran by everybody
 
#38
#38
GreyWolf1129 said:
* If our no-huddle ends up looking like the spread option look that's all the rage these days, we should be okay. Coker has the speed to make that first guy miss, and that could be a huge plus. If not, and if the OL doesn't make big strides.....
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Seriously - how does "We're experimenting with the no huddle" evolve into this? 70% of the people on this board expect a new offense. The offense will be the exact same - except we snap the ball earlier.
 
#39
#39
* Crompton didn't lose the LSU game. The defense (pronounced "lack of late game defense") lost it. Crompton handed the game to the defense; they promptly handed it back to LSU.
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Our defense was on the field for over 40 minutes. These were on fumes the whole fourth quarter, when iirc Lsu scored twice. Why were they on the field so much?

Because our offense couldnt do anything.

Crompton completed less then half of his passes, his two bombs were also outstanding plays by an all-american wr (especially the 2nd one), and of course we couldnt run. Also dont forget one of our td's was scored by the former Demetrice Morley.

We knew all year we really couldnt run. But without Ainge out there, we couldnt pass either. Thats why our offense couldnt sustain any drives, thats why our defense was on the field the whole game, thats why they got lit up in the fourth.

Im really not buying that the defense just gave up the game. They played their tails off, but the offense did them NO favors. The offense has plenty of blame in that game.
 
#40
#40
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
Our defense was on the field for over 40 minutes. These were on fumes the whole fourth quarter, when iirc Lsu scored twice. Why were they on the field so much?

Because our offense couldnt do anything.

Crompton completed less then half of his passes, his two bombs were also outstanding plays by an all-american wr (especially the 2nd one), and of course we couldnt run. Also dont forget one of our td's was scored by the former Demetrice Morley.

We knew all year we really couldnt run. But without Ainge out there, we couldnt pass either. Thats why our offense couldnt sustain any drives, thats why our defense was on the field the whole game, thats why they got lit up in the fourth.

Im really not buying that the defense just gave up the game. They played their tails off, but the offense did them NO favors. The offense has plenty of blame in that game.
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Check the yardage numbers by quarter.
 
#41
#41
VolinArizona said:
Check the yardage numbers by quarter.
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In the second half Lsu had 261 yards and held the ball for over 23 minutes, we had 117 yards and the difference in time, I think its 6 minutes, 40 secondsish.

Our last four drives combined for 108 yards (54 yards in the 2nd bomb to Meachem) and 4 minutes, 5 seconds...Lsu's last four drives were for 183 yards and a whopping 18:15 in time.

Bottom line, our offense couldnt stay on the field, our defense was doing alright before this but got plain worn down and punished.
 
#42
#42
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
In the second half Lsu had 261 yards and held the ball for over 23 minutes, we had 117 yards and the difference in time, I think its 6 minutes, 40 secondsish.

Our last four drives combined for 108 yards (54 yards in the 2nd bomb to Meachem) and 4 minutes, 5 seconds...Lsu's last four drives were for 183 yards and a whopping 18:15 in time.

Bottom line, our offense couldnt stay on the field, our defense was doing alright before this but got plain worn down and punished.
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I know our defense was worn down but 217-261 isn't a huge change.
 
#43
#43
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
In the second half Lsu had 261 yards and held the ball for over 23 minutes, we had 117 yards and the difference in time, I think its 6 minutes, 40 secondsish.

Our last four drives combined for 108 yards (54 yards in the 2nd bomb to Meachem) and 4 minutes, 5 seconds...Lsu's last four drives were for 183 yards and a whopping 18:15 in time.

Bottom line, our offense couldnt stay on the field, our defense was doing alright before this but got plain worn down and punished.
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Our defense wore down because it kept letting LSU convert on third downs!:whistling:
 
#44
#44
GreyWolf1129 said:
Well, only one fan's opinion, but.....

* Crompton didn't lose the LSU game. The defense (pronounced "lack of late game defense") lost it. Crompton handed the game to the defense; they promptly handed it back to LSU.

* Crompton, Ainge, or Manning. Take your pick against Arkansas, and we still get smoked. Combination of poor play-calling, and just flat out getting our a** handed to us by a more physical Hog team.
EA and PM both know how to pick up the stunts. They ate a young QB up with them all day. Fact

* Ainge is probably the better QB. For now. But if that no-huddle offense tanks, and Ainge ends up running for his life a lot, then you'd have to think that Crompton is a viable option. Hey, he has fewer fumbles than Foster, right?
EA is PROBABLY better for now? JC will be a good QB but EA is TONS better right now
* Has anyone considered the possibility that shedding the fullback, and the I-formation, in favor of the no-huddle might be a reaction to the fact that the coaches know our OL won't be much, if any, better at run blocking this year? Food for thought.
I love it. People cry all the time about UT not changing things up. When they do it must be out of desperation. :crazy:
* If our no-huddle ends up looking like the spread option look that's all the rage these days, we should be okay. Coker has the speed to make that first guy miss, and that could be a huge plus. If not, and if the OL doesn't make big strides.....

Go Vols.
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Look, JC did alright for a Frosh qb. He was totally confused by Arky stunts all day long. Could we have won the game with EA? Who knows, a veteran qb can kill a stunting D with outs to the TE but you recognize it and JC didn't. Will he in the future? I think yes. But there is no doubt that right now our very best chance to win rests on the arm of #10.
 
#45
#45
Another thing too. People are complaining about the play calling in the Arky game. Do you think just maybe our play calling ability was reduced due to a Frosh QB running the show? Just a thought...
 
#46
#46
Crompton couldn't throw against Ark because they effectively stuffed UT's WR's at the line of scrimmage all night. Ainge might have brought something different but laying that or the LSU game at JC's feet is ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure we don't know how good JC would have been had his first two games (with one week's prep as the starter) not been against the west division champ and a BCS team. The game plan probably was more limited but those were probably the two most difficult weeks on the schedule.

The thing Ainge's injury really hurts is finding the WR's UT needs by August. JC isn't going to pass EA on the depth chart. However, EA needs time to work with O'Neil, Vinson, and possible Jones to see what UT has.

Right now, it sounds like they have Hancock in the mold of Bret Smith and no one who scares you downfield.
 
#47
#47
VolinArizona said:
Seriously - how does "We're experimenting with the no huddle" evolve into this? 70% of the people on this board expect a new offense. The offense will be the exact same - except we snap the ball earlier.
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I'm not even sure it means we will snap the ball earlier. No huddle does not always equal fast break. The Colts, for instance, run a lot of no huddle while running the play clock into single digits. It simply gives a smart, experienced quarterback a chance to look at the same defense over and over.
 
#49
#49
sjt18 said:
Crompton couldn't throw against Ark because they effectively stuffed UT's WR's at the line of scrimmage all night. Ainge might have brought something different but laying that or the LSU game at JC's feet is ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure we don't know how good JC would have been had his first two games (with one week's prep as the starter) not been against the west division champ and a BCS team. The game plan probably was more limited but those were probably the two most difficult weeks on the schedule.

The thing Ainge's injury really hurts is finding the WR's UT needs by August. JC isn't going to pass EA on the depth chart. However, EA needs time to work with O'Neil, Vinson, and possible Jones to see what UT has.

Right now, it sounds like they have Hancock in the mold of Bret Smith and no one who scares you downfield.
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I was't laying it at his feet I was pointing out that those who think he is better than EA right now are crazy.
Arky stunted us all night and it confused JC big time. Jamaal Anderson could have broke him into on one play but must have felt sorry for him and just shoved him down instead. JC never even saw him coming. An experienced QB should handle the stunts better and feed the ball to the TE and break the stunt blitz package. JC didn't handle that and had a deer in the headlights look all night. Our defense was winded and we never stopped the wild cat offense arky ran but no one did until ms state finally figured it out.
 
#50
#50
Cut is a great qb coach, he worked wonders with Ainge, but his play calling ability sucks as much now as it did his first stint as oc. All this talk about the no-huddle is laughable because, while the formation may change, Cut will run the same tired plays that Tennessee has run since Majors was the coach.
 
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