Worley vs. #1 Passing Defense

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jspvol76 said:
We are about to start a freshman QB against the #1 passing defense in the SEC. I keep hearing Worley is a better passer than Simms, which must be true, but how much do we expect him to throw against the top passing defense in the SEC? If Simms has the best grasp on the running game, then why not keep him in? Either way, we are probably not going to light it up passing against USC. Thoughts?
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May be number one in pass defense because teams run on them. I know Ingram and Clowney are good on D for them. I think we need to use Young and Lane on some screens and short passes for their speed.
 
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If Worley can see a wide open tight end across the middle and hit him in stride I will certainly accept that and count it better than we have had
 
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I live down in charleston sc and all my friends are gamecock fans. So I know plenty about SC just throw the ball to CC whitlock side of the field completions for days :eek:k:. He is cocks version of Teague just worse cuz Teague is a converted WR and this is 2nd year . Whitlock = Garabage :disappointed:
 
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Yes South Carolina having the #1 passing defense in the nation is a bit overrated.....this year, the SEC is sorta the reverse model of a typical Sunbelt Conference or Conference USA model, where those conference members typically have stellar passing offenses stats-wise, but they also have among the poorest collection of passing defenses, stats-wise as well. You have to take the stats with a grain of salt, or two.

SEC has always traditionally been about power run games and stifling defenses, but occasionally we will have a quality QB or two. This year with the exception of Arkansas, pretty much the entire SEC is a poor passing conference overall, so EVERYONE seems to have quality pass defenses stats-wise....

I have felt all season long that UT and Arkansas would be the top tests for USC's secondary, which came into 2011 as a question mark. IMO, the loss of Bray has dropped the Vols from that list, and Clemson has replaced them. USC has adjusted the DB play to a more aggressive man press coverage, away from a more typical zone they used last season, and the improvements are noticeable with 14 interceptions thus far (2nd in the SEC) after only 10 all of last season. The additions of Hampton and Williams to the secondary have calmed the miscommunications down in the defensive backfield.

The biggest question will remain the same: can the UT OL keep Ingram, Clowney, Taylor and crew off of Worley/Simms enough to allow them to make their throws? Wasn't it the USC game last season that effectively knocked Simms out of the starting job, and gave Bray his opportunity?
 
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jspvol76 said:
We are about to start a freshman QB against the #1 passing defense in the SEC. I keep hearing Worley is a better passer than Simms, which must be true, but how much do we expect him to throw against the top passing defense in the SEC? If Simms has the best grasp on the running game, then why not keep him in? Either way, we are probably not going to light it up passing against USC. Thoughts?
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I'm not saying they aren't good or that it is ideal to start a Fr QB against them.... BUT they've only played two teams with a good passing game- ECU and UGA. They threw for 260 and 248 respectively and had over 65% completions. The other teams they've played are Navy (who doesn't throw) and then Vandy, UK, MSU, and Aub. They are 11th, 12th, 6th, and 9th respectively in passing (SEC). In their favor, they did hold each of those teams under their season avg's for passing.

They have a very good D but that #1 ranking ahead of LSU and Bama is a little skewed by the quality of the passing games they've faced.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm not saying they aren't good or that it is ideal to start a Fr QB against them.... BUT they've only played two teams with a good passing game- ECU and UGA. They threw for 260 and 248 respectively and had over 65% completions. The other teams they've played are Navy (who doesn't throw) and then Vandy, UK, MSU, and Aub. They are 11th, 12th, 6th, and 9th respectively in passing (SEC). In their favor, they did hold each of those teams under their season avg's for passing.

They have a very good D but that #1 ranking ahead of LSU and Bama is a little skewed by the quality of the passing games they've faced.
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Hence my mention of the additions of Hampton and Williams: one was suspended for both ECU and UGA, and the other was injured and unable to play in either game. Projected CB starter Akeem Auguste was also injured and unable to play in those games, and Whitlock - who started in Auguste's place - performed poorly. Former walk-on Marty Markett was named the starter over Whitlock, and this seemed to have woken him (Whitlock) up a little, as his production in games have improved substantially afterwards.

The Gamecock's 2-deep depth at CB of Gilmore, Markett, Hampton, and Whitlock has improved as a unit substantially as the season wore on. USC's depth in the secondary during the first 2-3 games doesn't look at all like what it does now. However, your points are still valid, as with everything USC's defensive capabilities are somewhere in the middle......
 
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LawVol13 said:
South Carolina does not have the best pass defense in the country. Period.
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Who we have been playing has a lot to do with why we are ranked high in that stat category. That teams that had competent passing attacks torched us.
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DarthVisor said:
Who we have been playing has a lot to do with why we are ranked high in that stat category. That teams that had competent passing attacks torched us.
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That's also not to say you all have a bad pass defense, but I just think those stats are inflated.
 
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UT has to continue to improve running it and hit the passes that are there. Worley is not going for 250 (at least I don't see that) but I don't think he has to.
 
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jspvol76 said:
We are about to start a freshman QB against the #1 passing defense in the SEC. I keep hearing Worley is a better passer than Simms, which must be true, but how much do we expect him to throw against the top passing defense in the SEC? If Simms has the best grasp on the running game, then why not keep him in? Either way, we are probably not going to light it up passing against USC. Thoughts?
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I think they don't keep Simms in because the Ints have doomed him, and if Bray's backup can get experience.

I think he'll get to pass maybe 60 to 70 percent.
 
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jspvol76 said:
We are about to start a freshman QB against the #1 passing defense in the SEC. I keep hearing Worley is a better passer than Simms, which must be true, but how much do we expect him to throw against the top passing defense in the SEC? If Simms has the best grasp on the running game, then why not keep him in? Either way, we are probably not going to light it up passing against USC. Thoughts?
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If JW can hit the broad side of a barn (which Simms can't do) I'll be extremely satisfied. There is absolutely no way he's worse.
 
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Their secondary isn't all that. Look at who all they have played. If we had Bray & Hunter or just Bray it would be ugly since they don't have lattimore.
 
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LawVol13 said:
That's also not to say you all have a bad pass defense, but I just think those stats are inflated.
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Oh, I agree with you. Our pass defense appears to have improved from last year, but it's far from top flight.
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Also, you have to look at things with an even perspective......as I said above, the SEC as a whole is not a superlative passing conference. South Carolina plays a lot of the same teams that all the other SEC teams play.

Look at say Alabama, who has one of the best overall defenses in the nation: Kent State and North Texas. Vanderbilt and Ole Miss as well as UF who's struggling with their QB situation right now. All 3 of those SEC teams have passing Os in the 100s nationally. Bama played a struggling UT with their starting QB out with injury as well.

Both UF and Arkansas - who is unquestionably the top passing team in the conference - threw for 200+ yards on Bama. They are 2 of the 3 teams to score in dbl digits on the Tide thus far (Penn St. scored 11, but got their lone TD in the final 2 minutes of a game that Bama eased back on the pressure).

Here are the passing offense rankings for Alabama's opponents thus far:

Kent St.: 119
Penn St.: 84
North Texas: 97
Arkansas: 9
Florida: 100
Vanderbilt: 111
Ole Miss: 107
Tennessee: 35

I think most would say that UT's passing offense is not the same right now with both Bray and Hunter out of the equation. UF had Brantley at the helm when they played Bama. Yet no one is dismissing Bama's defensive stats as over-rated when they talk of them this season. And I'm not trying to dismiss their stats myself, nor trying to elevate USC's defense to Bama's level.....I'm just trying to provide some perspective to the discussion....

Here are LSU's opponents' pass defense rankings:

Oregon: 78
Northwestern St.: 91 (in the FCS division)
Miss. State: 94
West Virginia: 5
Kentucky: 116
Florida: 100
Tennessee: 35
Auburn: 106

WVU threw for 463 yards against the Tigers. But you see many common foes between LSU, Alabama, and South Carolina. The Gamecocks held Vanderbilt to fewer passing and total yards than Alabama did. Held Kentucky to fewer passing and total yards than LSU did. Again, I'm not trying to claim that USC's defense is better or even as good as Bama's or LSU's are.....only trying to give some perspective to people's claims that USC's defense is not as good as it's ranked based on their opponents, when Bama's and LSU's defenses are praised as being world class, and they play mostly the same opposition.....
 
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Worley has seen some their DBs before in a game.In 2009 he played South Pointe twice.South Pointe had Gilmore and Holloman.
 
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DarthVisor said:
Who we have been playing has a lot to do with why we are ranked high in that stat category. That teams that had competent passing attacks torched us.
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Seriously?.............Tater undercover? You crack me up.:eek:lol:
 
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BeecherVol said:
Don't expect 20 - 30 with 250+ yrds and 3 Tds.

12 - 24 with 150-175yrds and 1 TD can win with a decent running game.
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Agreed...establish the run and setup the play action...their DB's are terrible against play action for some reason...

I say 2 TD's from Worley...2 from the run game and 2 FG's

34-24...

Yea...I just went there
 
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appvol said:
Worley has seen some their DBs before in a game.In 2009 he played South Pointe twice.South Pointe had Gilmore and Holloman.
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Gilmore and Holloman were playing for USCe in 09. Holloman had a big interception return against Clemson.
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BirdRacer said:
They are #1 pass defense in SEC because of the competition they played. ECU threw for 260, UGA threw for 248. The other teams were Navy, (do they even have a pass play in their playbook?), Vandy, Auburn, Kentucky, and Miss. State.

pl3, you beat me to it. :)
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i was going to say the same thing. if GA doesn't fumble the ball a bunch, they kill SC. they haven't played anyone else with anytype of passing game.
 
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phowell23 said:
USCjr is not only the #1 pass defense in the SEC but in the entire nation (Alabama is #3 in the nation and Florida is #6). We are #41.
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It's not all about their DB's. THeir pass rush is fantastic, 2 DE's are awesome players (Clowney is a Freshman). Hopefully Worley makes it past the 1st Qtr. without getting hurt.
 
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