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#26
#26
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Unfortunately, our previous administration's did not recruit OL's or teach our players how to win. Even worse, these are two of the most important parts of winning in the SEC.....I suspect it will take a couple recruiting cycles to remedy this.
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The OL recruiting was fine. It was the player development that was lacking
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
18yr old teenager's that are big time D1 prospects for the most part are going to specific colleges for one reason $money$. NFL money that is. They will pick a school with a staff that has had the most success preparing guys like them for the NFL. CJP could recruit guys that don't give a rip about Tennessee but legitimately wanna go to the NFL and win at a high level.

Enter Cade Mayes, yeah his daddy went to Tennessee but this wasn't his Daddy's Tennessee. What coach on bj's staff would have prepped him for the NFL???lol
It is much easier for him to be successful at Ga when there are established guys around him. It is not him finding his own success but following the path laid out by coaches and teammates.
Tennessee doesn't have this culture or system, yet.
GBO
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Jones put a lot of guys into the NFL. The NFL looks for evidence of talent. They can develop them full time if they're developed just enough to show they can play.

Kids like to win. They like to play for winners. Winners get more attention. And yeah... kids who play for winners and get the high profile status... make more money.

Kids do care about their school and teammates though.
 
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utvols83 said:
Maybe you meant to name a different player? Carvin is a true freshman. I agree on them being able to improve. If they can stay healthy and settle on five starters, then that group can get better just from a communication and assignment standpoint.
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No. Pretty sure it is 75 I've seen whiff several blocks. I didn't think about him being a Fr though. Being a Fr though probably means he'll correct it more quickly than an older player. According to UTSports.com, he started vs ETSU.

Disappointing that Hall is playing behind a Fr and a raw JUCO transfer.
 
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savannahfan said:
To avg 7 or so wins this and two more years would be fine with me!! Just think, if the first year (this year, it ant year 0) we make it to only 5-6 wins (which seems likely) they must win, what, 8-9 in year 2-3? Gonna be tough.
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It isn't fair. It isn't how I wish it was. But kids are pretty fickle. Once a guy gets tagged as a loser or someone who squanders talent like Jones... then the roster starts going backwards. If UT only wins 5 games this year then recruits are going to be very skeptical. They read the recruiting sites too. They know that according to 247 UT has significantly more talent than several more opponents that will have to be losses for UT to end up with 4 wins.
 
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So back to this. Coaches and players said the same thing after UTEP responding to questions about the gators. And I understand.

But please tell me we are spending an ample amount of time scouting Florida tendencies and “focusing on them”. My personal scouting report is “they good on special teams.” And a few big plays on that unit will be the difference in the game imo.

I would also hope Helton has some trickery in store. More wildcat more JG keeps, reverses, flea flickers. Let JG catch a td so people can remember Dobbs v Florida 2015 lol
 
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sjt18 said:
Jones put a lot of guys into the NFL. The NFL looks for evidence of talent. They can develop them full time if they're developed just enough to show they can play.

Kids like to win. They like to play for winners. Winners get more attention. And yeah... kids who play for winners and get the high profile status... make more money.

Kids do care about their school and teammates though.
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Not really, welcome to 2018, they only care after they made millions, maybe.

Name one kid that bj actually coached and put in the league. I'll wait for your response..
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
Not really, welcome to 2018, they only care after they made millions, maybe.

Name one kid that bj actually coached and put in the league. I'll wait for your response..
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Barnett, Dobbs, Kamara, Malone, Kelly,...

You were kidding, right?

PS- if you think the kids only care about the "millions"... you're deluded.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
I expect beating the likes of everyone in the east not named Georgia by then
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Tennessee should average 9 wins. Most of the time Alabama and Georgia will have more talent than we do and it’s probably not realistic to expect wins over EVERYONE else. Could be that Florida is having a good year or whoever else we play from the west or OOC or a slip up to USCe. To me, averaging 9/year is best case scenario. Anything better would be exceptional
 
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sjt18 said:
Barnett, Dobbs, Kamara, Malone, Kelly,...

You were kidding, right?

PS- if you think the kids only care about the "millions"... you're deluded.
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Um..most do. Its their pathway out of poverty most of the time.
 
#40
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sjt18 said:
No. Pretty sure it is 75 I've seen whiff several blocks. I didn't think about him being a Fr though. Being a Fr though probably means he'll correct it more quickly than an older player. According to UTSports.com, he started vs ETSU.

Disappointing that Hall is playing behind a Fr and a raw JUCO transfer.
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Do we know if Hall is 100% healthy?
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
18yr old teenager's that are big time D1 prospects for the most part are going to specific colleges for one reason $money$. NFL money that is. They will pick a school with a staff that has had the most success preparing guys like them for the NFL. CJP could recruit guys that don't give a rip about Tennessee but legitimately wanna go to the NFL and win at a high level.

Enter Cade Mayes, yeah his daddy went to Tennessee but this wasn't his Daddy's Tennessee. What coach on bj's staff would have prepped him for the NFL???lol
It is much easier for him to be successful at Ga when there are established guys around him. It is not him finding his own success but following the path laid out by coaches and teammates.
Tennessee doesn't have this culture or system, yet.
GBO
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The thing is there isn’t any statistical proof that says a 4 or 5 Star is any more likely to go to the NFL if he goes to an Alabama or UGA. Alabama recruits more elite prospects therefore they put more in the league. That’s a, “duh”. In fact, when you look at QB it’s not a good metric at all.
I’d like to see the percentages of how many 4 and 5 stars who go to the OSU and Bama have success Imin the pros than similar rated players who go to mid level teams.

I bet it would be a wake up call to a lot of these kids.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Um..most do. Its their pathway out of poverty most of the time.
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Are you sure you want to make that claim? Can you cite any real proof of it? I know basketball is thought of often as a path for inner city kids to escape poverty but a lot of football prospects come out of suburban and private schools. Some come out of more rural schools. For instance, UT currently has 8 HS commits from GA. None of them are coming from an impoverished inner city school.
 
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#44
sjt18 said:
Working on us keeps the focus on execution regardless of who's in front of them. Good approach no matter what the roster looks like.

The OL can improve. They're getting physically whipped at times but most of their problems have been missed assignments. They look good at OT but the middle needs work. I would personally like to see Hall nail down one of the OG positions. They obviously believe Jahmir Johnson can improve. Ryan Johnson has to improve. Carvin seems to be having a lot of trouble unlearning what the last staff taught him.
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Carvin is a true freshman so he didn't learn anything from the last staff thank goodness......
 
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FiremedicVOL127 said:
Carvin is a true freshman so he didn't learn anything from the last staff thank goodness......
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I tried to watch Carvin particularly in this last game. He and Ryan Johnson didn't seem to make as many mistakes. In the two previous games you could see confusion where they just whiffed. There were occasions where they got whipped too which maybe we have to live with at this point. But you can usually tell the difference and missed assignments are much easier to fix at this point.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Um..most do. Its their pathway out of poverty most of the time.
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That's stupid. A full ride scholarship is already a pathway out of poverty. An underwater basket weaving degree will get you a job out of poverty.

Conflating poverty with not being a millionaire is... Not smart.
 
#47
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sjt18 said:
I tried to watch Carvin particularly in this last game. He and Ryan Johnson didn't seem to make as many mistakes. In the two previous games you could see confusion where they just whiffed. There were occasions where they got whipped too which maybe we have to live with at this point. But you can usually tell the difference and missed assignments are much easier to fix at this point.
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I agree, I for 1 never expected this team to be world beaters I did expect to see improvement throughout the season and maybe a upset or 2 along the way but I may have to resort to just wanting to see improvement and not expect a upset.
 
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FiremedicVOL127 said:
I agree, I for 1 never expected this team to be world beaters I did expect to see improvement throughout the season and maybe a upset or 2 along the way but I may have to resort to just wanting to see improvement and not expect a upset.
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Barring a rash of injuries and assuming that teams with just as many depth problems as UT has will lose their share of players... I still see every game from USCe on as winnable. I definitely think UF is winnable.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
That's stupid. A full ride scholarship is already a pathway out of poverty. An underwater basket weaving degree will get you a job out of poverty.

Conflating poverty with not being a millionaire is... Not smart.
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That is not only stupid but factually wrong. Ask your favorite barista how that leisure communication studies degree is working for them next time you order a triple machiaofrappachinochailatte. No one is saying not being a millionaire is poor..
 
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sjt18 said:
Are you sure you want to make that claim? Can you cite any real proof of it? I know basketball is thought of often as a path for inner city kids to escape poverty but a lot of football prospects come out of suburban and private schools. Some come out of more rural schools. For instance, UT currently has 8 HS commits from GA. None of them are coming from an impoverished inner city school.
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Yep. Leveraging athletic ability when lacking in mental faculties to escape poverty has been a thing forever.
 
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