Wonder if Tenn might try to hire

[Nocleats]

Some of these guys as assistant support staff. I know Saban has used this one to a huge advantage at his place.
Tennessee Titans: Brandon Blaney

http://www.titansonline.com/team/coaches/Willis_Keith/331a29af-49a0-4c1c-bacd-5

Tennessee Titans: Luke Steckel

Deshea Townsend - Wikipedia

Indianapolis Colts: Robert Mathis


Anyways, with the turnover in the NFL this seaso, lots of guys like these wo might not be looking to be straight up coaches, but who would be excellent for scouting, evaluations, and game planning. At present I don't think there are limits on how many support staffers a school can have. I know sabans support staff is larger than his actual staff.

 

[Orange defense]

Some of these guys as assistant support staff. I know Saban has used this one to a huge advantage at his place.
Tennessee Titans: Brandon Blaney

http://www.titansonline.com/team/coaches/Willis_Keith/331a29af-49a0-4c1c-bacd-5

Tennessee Titans: Luke Steckel

Deshea Townsend - Wikipedia

Indianapolis Colts: Robert Mathis


Anyways, with the turnover in the NFL this seaso, lots of guys like these wo might not be looking to be straight up coaches, but who would be excellent for scouting, evaluations, and game planning. At present I don't think there are limits on how many support staffers a school can have. I know sabans support staff is larger than his actual staff.

Id love to see these guys on the support staff, but I would love to add Reggie Wayne to the list. I know it would be hard for him, because he is a Miami Hurricane through and through. With these guys, and Reggie Wayne, recruits would go nutty over these people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Wayne

 

[TNnative]

Some of these guys as assistant support staff. I know Saban has used this one to a huge advantage at his place.
Tennessee Titans: Brandon Blaney

http://www.titansonline.com/team/coaches/Willis_Keith/331a29af-49a0-4c1c-bacd-5

Tennessee Titans: Luke Steckel

Deshea Townsend - Wikipedia

Indianapolis Colts: Robert Mathis


Anyways, with the turnover in the NFL this seaso, lots of guys like these wo might not be looking to be straight up coaches, but who would be excellent for scouting, evaluations, and game planning. At present I don't think there are limits on how many support staffers a school can have. I know sabans support staff is larger than his actual staff.

While I love the idea of having a large support staff, we are still dealing with the same bean counting people who fret over expenditures. Once they can't justify the cost of employing this many people in their minds, they will whittle away at it, and pat themselves on the back for the money they saved while blaming the staff for not being able to win without nonessential assistance.

It is a mindset not easily put aside; it is how they have operated for years. I hope I am wrong, but eventually I am afraid these people will fail to get outta the way.

 

[Rudy123]

While I love the idea of having a large support staff, we are still dealing with the same bean counting people who fret over expenditures. Once they can't justify the cost of employing this many people in their minds, they will whittle away at it, and pat themselves on the back for the money they saved while blaming the staff for not being able to win without nonessential assistance.

It is a mindset not easily put aside; it is how they have operated for years. I hope I am wrong, but eventually I am afraid these people will fail to get outta the way.

Well, we got rid of the mentality of playing upper classmen when younger guys were better players. Now, maybe we can get rid of the bean counting mindset. Notice that these admin, CPA types are not serving as our A.D. now....... A person who knows sports is our A.D. now...

 

[m1al]

While I love the idea of having a large support staff, we are still dealing with the same bean counting people who fret over expenditures. Once they can't justify the cost of employing this many people in their minds, they will whittle away at it, and pat themselves on the back for the money they saved while blaming the staff for not being able to win without nonessential assistance.

It is a mindset not easily put aside; it is how they have operated for years. I hope I am wrong, but eventually I am afraid these people will fail to get outta the way.

Unfortunately I think you are spot on.. It's the world we live in today. Not much emphasis (if any) is placed on the quality of the product. It all centers around the the profit margin and the bigger the margin the better.

 

[orangeluvr]

saban doesn't have a program, he's built an organization that produces championship teams. The habits of successful people.

 

[Orange defense]

saban doesn't have a program, he's built an organization that produces championship teams. The habits of successful people.

And Pruitt has learned from the best to build his organization, :hi:that will produce championship teams here.

 

[orangeluvr]

And Pruitt has learned from the best to build his organization, :hi:that will produce championship teams here.

Right he's seen the blueprint, now he needs the full backing and support of everyone involved at the University of Tennessee. We'll see if lessons have been learned.

 

[TNnative]

Well, we got rid of the mentality of playing upper classmen when younger guys were better players. Now, maybe we can get rid of the bean counting mindset. Notice that these admin, CPA types are not serving as our A.D. now....... A person who knows sports is our A.D. now...

Unfortunately I think you are spot on.. It's the world we live in today. Not much emphasis (if any) is placed on the quality of the product. It all centers around the the profit margin and the bigger the margin the better.

Rudy, you are talking about coaching decisions vs administrative idiots, and that isn't comparable in any way. And while I give Fulmer the benefit of the doubt as AD until proven otherwise, it isn't an AD issue. It's the pocket protector wearing types prodding the trustees.

m1al, it has little to do with just today. It has been a long term battle since the 60s and 70s. To be able to keep a support staff, it will be an ongoing battle never to give an inch. Hate to say it, but I only hope if Alabama proved how well it works? Maybe, just maybe, those attached to Tennessee will finally get it.

 

[savannahfan]

While I love the idea of having a large support staff, we are still dealing with the same bean counting people who fret over expenditures. Once they can't justify the cost of employing this many people in their minds, they will whittle away at it, and pat themselves on the back for the money they saved while blaming the staff for not being able to win without nonessential assistance.

It is a mindset not easily put aside; it is how they have operated for years. I hope I am wrong, but eventually I am afraid these people will fail to get outta the way.

Get out of the way??? Are you kidding? When they wake up and feel their power threatened, they will act. Be damned the effect on sports or for that matter anything that threatens their position of influence and power. They have just about taken over everything in society. The only threat they can't overcome are lawyers.

 

[savannahfan]

Well, we got rid of the mentality of playing upper classmen when younger guys were better players. Now, maybe we can get rid of the bean counting mindset. Notice that these admin, CPA types are not serving as our A.D. now....... A person who knows sports is our A.D. now...

You wish. They are still watching, who controls the purse string?? Bean counters. No AD, no Admin, no one, can win over these guys. Don't be fooled by the old saying "numbers don't lie". A good bean counter can make numbers say anything they want them to.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Right he's seen the blueprint, now he needs bricks!.

FIfy.......:dance2::dance2:

 

[HooahVol]

I still wonder how interchangeable the NFL and NCAA really are. There is plenty of evidence of great college coaches failing in the NFL. For every Pete Carrol there is a Saban, Spurrier, Kiffin and Petrino. It is a lot easier to think of great college coaches who failed in the NFL then the one or two that have succeeded (Carroll and maybe Mora?). Reversing the equation it is tough to find NFL coaches who succeed in the NCAA. Harbaugh possibly has transitioned back OK but it is easy to argue he has underachieved and he started in college. Bill Callahan was terrible at Nebraska. Dave Wannstedt failed at Pitt. At the end of it all I think it is far from a sure thing that a NFL coach will succeed at the NCAA level and vice versa.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Unfortunately I think it's going to take "We the people" to get the right changes made to get UT back to our Winning ways.

The BoT and Admin have been the real causes of sports decline for our Vols.

It was correctly said that our sports programs are the front porch of Tennessee and we need our WINS and pride back NOW!

It may take the exact same things that got us a new AD and a much better coach to get real changes made to our Admin and the Board of Trustees.

People have to unite together with a solid program of changes to demand be made and then raise hell with public rallies to get serious attention and demand that good changes be made.

Some say those things made Tennessee look dumb and bad, BS, it showed that we fans have had enough of the BS and that we demanded the right coach and a AD that seriously understands our sports programs should ALWAYS come 1st!

Want better profits?

Get more WINS in every sport and the $$$ will come.

alaBubba and the Gators have both proven that.

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[savannahfan]

I still wonder how interchangeable the NFL and NCAA really are. There is plenty of evidence of great college coaches failing in the NFL. For every Pete Carrol there is a Saban, Spurrier, Kiffin and Petrino. It is a lot easier to think of great college coaches who failed in the NFL then the one or two that have succeeded (Carroll and maybe Mora?). Reversing the equation it is tough to find NFL coaches who succeed in the NCAA. Harbaugh possibly has transitioned back OK but it is easy to argue he has underachieved and he started in college. Bill Callahan was terrible at Nebraska. Dave Wannstedt failed at Pitt. At the end of it all I think it is far from a sure thing that a NFL coach will succeed at the NCAA level and vice versa.

I wonder if the teaching side of coaching could be the deciding factor in success at either level. Good college coaches are usually great teachers and so are their staffs. Good pro coaches expect their players to already know how to play. They only seem to teach fine points of a position and spend more time on game and business sides of the business. What seem to be good teachers don't do as well in the pros and, the dryer business of the game guys have trouble in college game motivating youngsters.

 

[KBVol]

According to Doug Mathews, JP is on record saying he thought Alabama was dangerously close to having “too many analysts and support staff” and that 8 (the number of analysts already in place last year) was about right. So we’ll see what he does, but I wouldn’t expect a big increase in the number of those guys if what Mathews says is correct.

 

[dd4vols]

Well, we got rid of the mentality of playing upper classmen when younger guys were better players. Now, maybe we can get rid of the bean counting mindset. Notice that these admin, CPA types are not serving as our A.D. now....... A person who knows sports is our A.D. now...

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You wish. They are still watching, who controls the purse string?? Bean counters. No AD, no Admin, no one, can win over these guys. Don't be fooled by the old saying "numbers don't lie". A good bean counter can make numbers say anything they want them to.

the Tennessee Society of CPAs approves this message.

 

[HooahVol]

I wonder if the teaching side of coaching could be the deciding factor in success at either level. Good college coaches are usually great teachers and so are their staffs. Good pro coaches expect their players to already know how to play. They only seem to teach fine points of a position and spend more time on game and business sides of the business. What seem to be good teachers don't do as well in the pros and, the dryer business of the game guys have trouble in college game motivating youngsters.

That is a really good point. I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Nocleats]

Unfortunately I think it's going to take "We the people" to get the right changes made to get UT back to our Winning ways.

The BoT and Admin have been the real causes of sports decline for our Vols.

It was correctly said that our sports programs are the front porch of Tennessee and we need our WINS and pride back NOW!

It may take the exact same things that got us a new AD and a much better coach to get real changes made to our Admin and the Board of Trustees.

People have to unite together with a solid program of changes to demand be made and then raise hell with public rallies to get serious attention and demand that good changes be made.

Some say those things made Tennessee look dumb and bad, BS, it showed that we fans have had enough of the BS and that we demanded the right coach and a AD that seriously understands our sports programs should ALWAYS come 1st!

Want better profits?

Get more WINS in every sport and the $$$ will come.

alaBubba and the Gators have both proven that.

VFL...GBO!!!

You are preaching from Nocleats bible! When Jimmy Cheeks brought in his rules and guidelines, Tennessee athletics as we had always known them were done. Ask yourself the overall state of Tenn Atletics over the last 12 years. Tenn is the ONLY team inthe SEC that does not allow academic exceptions for athletes. Now Im not talking about letting a D student in, Im talking about allowing a student who has met NCAA and SEC requirements in. The only school in the SEC.

 

[onevol74]

Who needs bean counters when you can print money like they do in Tuscaloosa?

I don’t really blame our administration as much as I do our idiot boosters. They are worse than Congress.

 

[pimo1]

He already got step 1 done he got 5 mil for assistants (i'm sure that is inclusive of direct football support staff).. If he shows results with that he will be able to push for more. He is gonna bring some of the blueprint and put his stamp on it. As long as the impossible happens and fans/boosters temper fervor for 2 seasons or so.

I see it like this. This upcoming year anything north of 7 wins is a gift... we win 9 or more then it means other teams are regressing or this guy is the real deal. The NC game said something to me. The super ballsy move Saban made to bench Hurts might not have been balsy it might have been desperation. I don't think Saban a year ago or 2 years ago makes that sub.

There is a chance that Saban is reaching the end of his run. But next year we play UGA, Bama, Florida and Auburn. Oh yeah we open vs WVA. is WVA a powerhouse.. nope but they are a scary team every single year. They would be a midlevel SEC team but because they are overlooked they can sneak u on folks. Trust me these guys ain't no punk. Mid season we handle them easy. Game one scary.

Beyond those 4 we will lose a game we are supposed to win and it will be in the SEC east. I don't see us beating Bama or Auburn or GA in any case next year. Florida not impossible but improbable. WVA is scary because of game 1 so best case realistically we are sitting at 4 losses.6-6 is happyville and 7.5 is where we should expect to be.. I am conservative in expectations so don't think that's all we are capable of its what the schedule says. A bit off the beaten path and topic but that's what forums are for right? Drunken rants.

 

[AM64]

Get out of the way??? Are you kidding? When they wake up and feel their power threatened, they will act. Be damned the effect on sports or for that matter anything that threatens their position of influence and power. They have just about taken over everything in society. The only threat they can't overcome are lawyers.

Bean counters are like cockroaches - they will survive. Remember these are the guys who started using "metrics" because they so thoroughly trashed "statistics". As long as universities pump out MBAs and MBA-lites; they will breed like cockroaches, too.

Most engineers who survived the corporate world know one old adage by heart, "There's never enough time (or money) to do it right ... but there's always enough to do it a second time." While not likely, just perhaps the UT bean counters will accept their losses and let Pruitt and Fulmer do it right for a change.

 

[AM64]

You are preaching from Nocleats bible! When Jimmy Cheeks brought in his rules and guidelines, Tennessee athletics as we had always known them were done. Ask yourself the overall state of Tenn Atletics over the last 12 years. Tenn is the ONLY team inthe SEC that does not allow academic exceptions for athletes. Now Im not talking about letting a D student in, Im talking about allowing a student who has met NCAA and SEC requirements in. The only school in the SEC.

Look. For once and for all, it's not like UT has astounding high entrance requirements anyway. It's unlikely that an unqualified player who spends hours on athletics is going to manage what many qualified students can't academically. Is your real argument that academics don't matter at a place with "University" in its title?