WNBA investigating $100,000 Las Vegas Aces player sponsorships that star called 'life-changing'

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NashVol11 said:
Bunch of word salad to say absolutely nothing. The new Portland team's owner, for example, is not an NBA owner and paid a $125M expansion fee.

But I'm glad you figured out the groundbreaking idea that for the players to get a higher percentage, the owners will get a lesser percentage.
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Lol. I responded to what he mentioned. The one you mentioned hasn’t made a dollar yet and already has people jumping ship.
 
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Trying so hard to find a negative in the midst of explosive growth is fun to watch, please do continue doubling down
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Lol. Because of one person. When she’s on the mend everything plummets. Nobody wants to watch a bunch of butches play bad basketball the rest of the time.
 
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C-south said:
Lol. Because of one person. When she’s on the mend everything plummets. Nobody wants to watch a bunch of butches play bad basketball the rest of the time.
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The W was growing extremely quickly well before CC became a part of it, this is getting sad for you. 2.2M people watched the All-Star Game she didn't play in. Looking forward to pivot #12
 
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C-south said:
Lol. I operate in reality. You live in delusions and fantasy.
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No, you operate in partisan culture war BS. If you "operated in reality" you would realize that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the WNBA, as everyone in this thread is showing you
 
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NashVol11 said:
No, you operate in partisan culture war BS. If you "operated in reality" you would realize that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the WNBA, as everyone in this thread is showing you
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What year did they turn a profit? How is revenue split? Why does viewership plummet over 50% when one person doesn’t play?
 
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C-south said:
What year did they turn a profit? How is revenue split? Why does viewership plummet over 50% when one person doesn’t play?
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There have been 4 or 5 different people in this thread plus an article that all explained to you why "not turning a profit" is fake and you just repeat the fantasy ad nauseam anyway, so don't talk to anyone about "operating in reality" lol
 
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NashVol11 said:
There have been 4 or 5 different people in this thread plus an article that all explained to you why "not turning a profit" is fake and you just repeat the fantasy ad nauseam anyway, so don't talk to anyone about "operating in reality" lol
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How is it fake? Math doesn’t lie. The “ad nauseam” is pretending it’s anything but a subsidized league that loses money solely so females have a sports league.

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"WNBA Loses $50 Million Every Year And Has Never Generated A Profit. You Deserve $0."- Fans Get Harsh About WNBA Stars' Statement

WNBA All-Star protest sparks firestorm as fans clash over pay, losses, and Caitlin Clark’s influence.
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C-south said:
How is it fake? Math doesn’t lie. The “ad nauseam” is pretending it’s anything but a subsidized league that loses money solely so females have a sports league.

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"WNBA Loses $50 Million Every Year And Has Never Generated A Profit. You Deserve $0."- Fans Get Harsh About WNBA Stars' Statement

WNBA All-Star protest sparks firestorm as fans clash over pay, losses, and Caitlin Clark’s influence.
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An article of "fan reactions" is not an article. The below has already been posted. Like I said, you'll just believe whatever Charlie Kirk and Jason Whitlock tell you to believe regardless. If it's "math" then show me what the numbers are

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‘They’re absolutely underpaid’: Economists weigh in on WNBA labor showdown

"Pay us what you owe us," that’s the message WNBA players sent during their All-Star Game. But are WNBA players grossly underpaid or are they asking for too much?
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After examining TV ratings, attendance data and other metrics, Goldin estimated that the average WNBA salary should be “roughly one-quarter to one-third of the average NBA salary to achieve pay equity.” In reality, WNBA salaries currently range from the league minimum of $66,079 to a maximum of $249,244. That’s not in the same stratosphere as the NBA, where the league minimum is $1.27 million and the highest-paid superstars will earn more than $50 million apiece next season.

“How could that be?” wrote Goldin. “The most likely explanation is that the WNBA is not receiving the full value it contributes to the combined NBA and WNBA enterprise revenue.”
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Of course, evaluating how much revenue any league makes is notoriously tricky because sports accounting always includes some sleight-of-hand tricks and deception. That’s particularly true in the case of the WNBA, whose deeply intertwined financial relationship with the NBA makes it hard to decipher where one league’s revenue ends and the other’s begins.
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Count Andrew Zimbalist among those skeptical of those figures. Zimbalist, a professor at Smith College and a leading sports economist, served as an advisor to the NBA Players Association during multiple previous collective bargaining sessions. He remembers the NBA claiming losses each time in an effort to gain public support and extract further concessions from the players.

“They might claim they’re making a loss but when you look closely at their books they’re not really making a loss,” Zimbalist told Yahoo Sports.

“There are lots of shenanigans they can use to play with the books, so one would have to look very carefully at how they’re doing their accounting before you even enter into discussions. The women’s union needs to have some financially adept people at the bargaining table so the owners can’t pull the wool over their eyes.”
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NashVol11 said:
An article of "fan reactions" is not an article. The below has already been posted. Like I said, you'll just believe whatever Charlie Kirk and Jason Whitlock tell you to believe regardless. If it's "math" then show me what the numbers are

sports.yahoo.com

‘They’re absolutely underpaid’: Economists weigh in on WNBA labor showdown

"Pay us what you owe us," that’s the message WNBA players sent during their All-Star Game. But are WNBA players grossly underpaid or are they asking for too much?
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com
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They get 9% of free money that they don’t earn. Hell they’re overpaid. Lol, and the article wasn’t simply “fan reaction.”
 
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NashVol11 said:
That has nothing to do with what I said, you continue to prove my point. Salaries aren't based on "profit", which makes sense because the NBA and other leagues love to claim "losses" that don't exist
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Cool. So $45 million of essentially free money to operate at a loss.
 
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C-south said:
Cool. So $45 million of essentially free money to operate at a loss.
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None of this is true lol, the $500M+ in revenue is explicitly generated by the players especially the media rights deal. This is an impressive commitment to arguing about something that you both don't know and don't care about
 
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NashVol11 said:
None of this is true lol, the $500M+ in revenue is explicitly generated by the players especially the media rights deal. This is an impressive commitment to arguing about something that you both don't know and don't care about
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Cool. Then the wnba owners and players can buyout the investors. Tell the nba you don’t want their handout anymore. Then they can split everything 50/50 like the nba. Let’s see how that works out. If any of what you or the other sympathizers said were true then they wouldn’t need anyone else to keep them afloat.
 
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C-south said:
Cool. Then the wnba owners and players can buyout the investors. Tell the nba you don’t want their handout anymore. Then they can split everything 50/50 like the nba. Let’s see how that works out. If any of what you or the other sympathizers said were true then they wouldn’t need anyone else to keep them afloat.
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They don't. The NBA gives the W something like $10M a year so they can claim it as "losses," when, again, W revenue this year will exceed $500M. Teams are paying $250M expansion fees and valuations are around $500M per team, with a bunch of new practice facilities and 50% more teams in 2030 than in 2024. The league is not strapped for cash at all
 
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NashVol11 said:
They don't. The NBA gives the W something like $10M a year so they can claim it as "losses," when, again, W revenue this year will exceed $500M. Teams are paying $250M expansion fees and valuations are around $500M per team, with a bunch of new practice facilities and 50% more teams in 2030 than in 2024. The league is not strapped for cash at all
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The valuations mean s***. How would you sell the team to pay players?
 
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Pat Summitt was getting paid a million dollars while the women’s team was operating in the red, was she just some “butch” coaching bad basketball?
 
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C-south said:
Like people making up numbers to try and pretend they make money?
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NashVol has sourced everything and so did Hines. You’re the one that said “Nobody wants to watch a bunch of butches play bad basketball the rest of the time.” That’s not facts and figures, that’s just derogatory, 1970’s sexist language being used.

The WNBA averaged 10K fans per game in 2024. The WNBA also averaged 1.1M tv viewers per playoff game. The Women’s NCAAT Final averaged 8.5M viewers in 2025. The league just went for $250M expansion fees for three separate teams. I don’t know, sounds like a decent amount of people want to watch women’s basketball in 2025!
 
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A good comment I found reading The Athletic article on this. Really points home about the expansion fees too.

"Until the W opens its books, the profitability claims really need a greater caveat than "sources with knowledge". The math, to quote the kids, isn't mathing. Starting on the operational side: LifeLock dropped a million on the Mercury's jersey rights back in 2009, which was more than the salary cap at the time. My understanding is that subsequent deals across the league were, for many years, required to value the jersey at no less than the salary cap (which did not cross $1m until 2020). That player salaries can be covered for a team before the first game begins and the team still never manage to turn a profit from media rights, all other sponsorships, ticket sales, and merch is literally incredible - a claim on par with the Hollywood insistence that Return of the Jedi was unprofitable for decades or that Coming to America (with ~$30m in production costs) failed to make a profit on its $288m worldwide gross.

And then we get to franchise valuation. Even if we grant ownership's self-serving claims of annual poverty, how many ownership groups are still in the red after their share of $800m in expansion fees these past couple years? Kudos to any franchise that managed to rack up more than $60m in operational losses in a league where player payroll, still shy of $2m, has only been above $1m for 5 seasons. Which brings us to Plum's "piece of the piece of the pie" comment: The league's outlandish operating profit claims ignore franchise valuations. Joe Tsai, who bought the Lib for less than $20m, recently sold a partial stake at a valuation higher than $400m. The W's aggregate franchise value has increased by billions of dollars in the past 20 years and the players are being told to ignore that because individual franchises *may* have racked up seven figures of operating losses on an annual basis."
 
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