With Dobbs the past two years: UA 31 TN 30

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Maybe there's glimmer of hope in the fact that Alabama has only outscored Tennessee by one point the past two years with Dobbs in the game (31-30).

Of course, he trailed 35-0 in 2013 and 13-0 last year, so it's fair to conclude that Bama had called off the dogs somewhat, at least in 2013. Nevertheless, all of Tennessee's points came with Dobbs in the game at quarterback.

Josh Dobbs' advantage vs. Alabama is a start for Vols
 
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If only he could tackle. That's the thing that worries me the most. Our tackling is awful. Henry will mow us over in a hurry if we can't wrap him up and bring him down.
 
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Fingers said:
Maybe there's glimmer of hope in the fact that Alabama has only outscored Tennessee by one point the past two years with Dobbs in the game (31-30).

Of course, he trailed 35-0 in 2013 and 13-0 last year, so it's fair to conclude that Bama had called off the dogs somewhat, at least in 2013. Nevertheless, all of Tennessee's points came with Dobbs in the game at quarterback.

Josh Dobbs' advantage vs. Alabama is a start for Vols
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While I would love to think this means something, it doesn't. Dobbs has played against Bama's second third and fourth teams. Never the big boys.
 
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zqvol said:
While I would love to think this means something, it doesn't. Dobbs has played against Bama's second third and fourth teams. Never the big boys.
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LOL. You must've missed the game last year. He definitely was not playing against Bama's second string when he took over the third drive of the game.
 
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Anyone who thinks bammer "called off the dogs" on UT is crazy. They'll score 100 if they can. Starters played the entire game last year for sure.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. You must've missed the game last year. He definitely was not playing against Bama's second string when he took over the third drive of the game.
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Correct.

Truth is, however, that Dobbs has never taken a snap against Bama down by less than two scores. He's had success against Bama, no doubt. But he hasn't been in many meaningful situations.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. You must've missed the game last year. He definitely was not playing against Bama's second string when he took over the third drive of the game.
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you can't tell me for a second that Bama did not game plan for "Here's what we'll do if Worley goes down and Dobbs comes in".

That would almost be coaching malpractice on the part of Saban.

Not saying that the Vols win, but mobile QBs can give them fits.
 
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Yes, the difficult bama has had with mobile QBs is much more relevant than Dobb's performance the past 2 years IMO.

Live bullets from the start this year. Dobb's has to have a good game, good decision making and accuracy, for us to have a shot.
 
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bamawriter said:
Correct.

Truth is, however, that Dobbs has never taken a snap against Bama down by less than two scores. He's had success against Bama, no doubt. But he hasn't been in many meaningful situations.
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So you're saying games are no longer meaningful once a team is up by 2 scores? I wish someone had explained that to OK, UF, and Ark.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
So you're saying games are no longer meaningful once a team is up by 2 scores? I wish someone had explained that to OK, UF, and Ark.
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Perhaps I should have expounded a little.

In 1 1/2 games against Bama, Dobbs has taken exactly 100 snaps. Of those 100 snaps, only 14 came while down by 2 scores. The rest:

Down by 3 scores: 47 snaps
Down by 4 scores: 10 snaps
Down by 5 scores: 20 snaps
Down by 6 scores: 9 snaps

None of that is meant to be presented as Dobbs' fault. I'm just pointing out that his meaningful snaps against Bama have been few.
 
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This may be the week Bama's D figures it out but they have struggled historically against teams with running QB's. Dobbs will be the first true running QB they've faced this year.
 
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FTR, I don't think Saban has called the dogs off on UT since he took over at Bama. Generally speaking, he has needed style points in these contests.
 
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bamawriter said:
Perhaps I should have expounded a little.

In 1 1/2 games against Bama, Dobbs has taken exactly 100 snaps. Of those 100 snaps, only 14 came while down by 2 scores. The rest:

Down by 3 scores: 47 snaps
Down by 4 scores: 10 snaps
Down by 5 scores: 20 snaps
Down by 6 scores: 9 snaps

None of that is meant to be presented as Dobbs' fault. I'm just pointing out that his meaningful snaps against Bama have been few.
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This doesn't bother me. I like him in meaningful snaps and starting the game. He has 2 interceptions this year and only one was his fault.

Now on your side, please let Coker not slide and try to run over Kelly jr or Sutton!
 
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2013 is irrelevant. Game was completely out of hand. Dobbs played well against bama last year. I think he will play well tomorrow. I still don’t think it will be enough. Another stat is bama hasn’t lost to unranked team since 2007. It’s going to take a herculean effort for us to win this game. If we do it will likely be due to turnovers and special teams.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Anyone who thinks bammer "called off the dogs" on UT is crazy. They'll score 100 if they can. Starters played the entire game last year for sure.
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I do and my wife says ... well nvm.

Saban took his foot off the gas in 10', 11', 12', and 13'. He's a class act in that regard, plus he didn't want to damage his top disciple in 10-12'. Go back and watch the games ... they could have hung 60 easily on us in 10-12.

Don't get me wrong b/c I would be happy beating Bammer and losing every other game this season. But, no need to rewrite history to make them look bad. Too many facts for that already.
 
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bamawriter said:
Perhaps I should have expounded a little.

In 1 1/2 games against Bama, Dobbs has taken exactly 100 snaps. Of those 100 snaps, only 14 came while down by 2 scores. The rest:

Down by 3 scores: 47 snaps
Down by 4 scores: 10 snaps
Down by 5 scores: 20 snaps
Down by 6 scores: 9 snaps

None of that is meant to be presented as Dobbs' fault. I'm just pointing out that his meaningful snaps against Bama have been few.
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Down by 6 Scores? At what point were we down 48 points? Or even if you want to take 2pt conversions out...42 points? Those stats don't make any sense.
 
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zqvol said:
While I would love to think this means something, it doesn't. Dobbs has played against Bama's second third and fourth teams. Never the big boys.
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Dude, that's not remotely true unless Bama pulled all their starters in the middle of the first quarter. Are you saying Bama pulled all their starters and began playing scrubs with the score 13-0 in the first and 27-17 in the third and 4th quarters? You're not saying that are you?
 
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BigOrange04 said:
2013 is irrelevant. Game was completely out of hand. Dobbs played well against bama last year. I think he will play well tomorrow. I still don’t think it will be enough. Another stat is bama hasn’t lost to unranked team since 2007. It’s going to take a herculean effort for us to win this game. If we do it will likely be due to turnovers and special teams.
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No game is completely out of hand early in the 2nd Q. Dobbs brought us back to striking distance, before they shut the door last year. That team may have emotionally let down with a huge lead, but strategically a good coach would never "put one on ice" that early against a real opponent. Dobbs was a spark that they had no answer for for about 2 quarter there.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
This doesn't bother me. I like him in meaningful snaps and starting the game.
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Again, I'm not knocking Dobbs at all.

I think he has a good chance of doing great things tomorrow. I think he can and will make some plays with his legs. But even if he gets yards on the ground, you're not going to beat Bama like that. He's going to need to make some very accurate throws toward the sideline of 20+ yards when Bama goes man-to-man on defense. That's the way you beat Bama's defense. That's where opportunity lies.
 
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BigOrange04 said:
2013 is irrelevant. Game was completely out of hand. Dobbs played well against bama last year. I think he will play well tomorrow. I still don’t think it will be enough. Another stat is bama hasn’t lost to unranked team since 2007. It’s going to take a herculean effort for us to win this game. If we do it will likely be due to turnovers and special teams.
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Yup, this. For us to win we need the O-line to have their best game of the year, Dobbs has to be more accurate than he's been all season, no drops by the receivers, lead with the turnover margin, win on special teams, and figure out how to tackle on D. So pretty much a perfect game.

But if we do play a perfect game, we win by 7. If we don't, we lose by 14+
 
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scottchatt said:
Down by 6 Scores? At what point were we down 48 points? Or even if you want to take 2pt conversions out...42 points? Those stats don't make any sense.
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UT was down 42-3 in 2013. 39 points requires 5 touchdowns with at least 4 two-pointers. Given the odds, that's being down by six scores.
 
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I thought I saw it posted elsewhere in the FF that we had out scored them 30-29 with Dobbs in the game the past two years?
 
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