With Davis and Gruden out of the way....

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#101
justingroves said:
Kelly is a very very good fallback plan no doubt.

Kiffin is a much higher boom-bust risk.
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BigPapaVol said:
I like Kelly, but he wasn't an option.

Of Kelly and Kiffin, I'll take Kiffin for the recruiting.

Between Kelly and Leach, it's Kelly and not even close.
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"Hamilton has been given permission to interview Kelly by the University of Cincinnati."

-per Basilio... thx vkb.
 
#103
#103
BigOrangeBrian said:
Honestly, I don't understand all the love for Kiffin.?. What has he accomplished? Who couldn't recruit and win at USC when he was there? He has a career head coaching record of 5-15. Is it the pipe dream that he might bring his dad as the DC? That would be a nightmare. Because your going to ask, here is my list...assuming everyone would be interested.

1. Gruden
2. Davis
3. Muschamp
4. Kelly
5. Leach
On the fence about D'Antonio.
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What have candidates 3,4 and 5 done that is more impressive than Kiffin?
 
#106
#106
Brewster?

word is he is the best recruiter (besides butch) we could get. heck, he got 7 4*s to go to minn after they just won 2 games the year before. wow. i say him and kelly are tied
 
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#107
JAllen18 said:
He's not a bad choice, but with our offensive struggles. Is kelly the guy to turn it around?
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Look at what he's done at Central Michigan and his first year at Cincy.

He's a good coach in my eyes but Kiffin has a chance to be better and Davis is simply one of the best coaches in college football today.
 
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#108
justingroves said:
Look at what he's done at Central Michigan and his first year at Cincy.

He's a good coach in my eyes but Kiffin has a chance to be better and Davis is simply one of the best coaches in college football today.
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True, but you have Davis already saying he is not intrested and Clemson not wasting any time with Kiffin.

and I think Kelly is more of a Defensive minded coach and not known for his offense.
 
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#109
JAllen18 said:
True, but you have Davis already saying he is not intrested and Clemson not wasting any time with Kifin.

and I think Kelly is more of a Defensive minded coach and not known for his offense.
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Davis is lying and Kiffin is a lot more interested in Tennessee than Clemson.

Kelly is the third choice unless he blows everyone away in his interview.
 
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#110
JAllen18 said:
True, but you have Davis already saying he is not intrested and Clemson not wasting any time with Kiffin.

and I think Kelly is more of a Defensive minded coach and not known for his offense.
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The bulk of this thread has been about how we should not put much stock in the Davis denials...
 
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#111
BigOrangeBrian said:
Honestly, I don't understand all the love for Kiffin.?. What has he accomplished? Who couldn't recruit and win at USC when he was there? He has a career head coaching record of 5-15. Is it the pipe dream that he might bring his dad as the DC? That would be a nightmare. Because your going to ask, here is my list...assuming everyone would be interested.

1. Gruden
2. Davis
3. Muschamp
4. Kelly
5. Leach
On the fence about D'Antonio.
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unlike '76, there is no consensus choice. they all can be picked at. none is perfect.

gruden, for example: no college HC resume, won the super bowl but with Dungy's team, offense too complicated for college, etc.

quote on kiffin: Kiffin also gained acclaim as dogged recruiter and was able to pull in talent for the Trojans from all over the country. His father, Monte, is one of the foremost defensive minds in football and is currently the defensive coordinator with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
 
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#114
justingroves said:
Davis is lying and Kiffin is a lot more interested in Tennessee than Clemson.

Kelly is the third choice unless he blows everyone away in his interview.
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I guess we wont know until the end of the year, but for know we have to take his word and who knows MH might belive him.
 
#115
#115
JAllen18 said:
I guess we wont know until the end of the year, but for know we have to take his word and who knows MH might belive him.
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If Davis is not the next head coach here, it's because they did not want to meet his demands, not because he has no interest in the job.
 
#116
#116
justingroves said:
Davis is lying and Kiffin is a lot more interested in Tennessee than Clemson.

Kelly is the third choice unless he blows everyone away in his interview.
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Kelly is my choice and supposedly UT has been granted permission to speak with him. Great news as far as i'm concerned. As far as Davis i think he's a phenomenal coach but you have to wonder how hungry he is. He's older and in the twilight of his career. I think i would rather have a younger hungry guy who's proven he can coach. It definitely wouldn't hurt my feelings if they hired him though. JMO.
 
#117
#117
matts42012volfan said:
Brewster?

word is he is the best recruiter (besides butch) we could get. heck, he got 7 4*s to go to minn after they just won 2 games the year before. wow. i say him and kelly are tied
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Brewster? Hell Fulmer was a great recruiter. We need a great COACH. Brewster hasn't proven that yet.
 
#118
#118
JMBIGORANGE said:
Kelly is my choice and supposedly UT has been granted permission to speak with him. Great news as far as i'm concerned. As far as Davis i think he's a phenomenal coach but you have to wonder how hungry he is. He's older and in the twilight of his career. I think i would rather have a younger hungry guy who's proven he can coach. It definitely wouldn't hurt my feelings if they hired him though. JMO.
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Any of the three will be successful here IMO.

It's not a bad thing to argue about between these 3 coaches.
 
#119
#119
JZVOL said:
What have candidates 3,4 and 5 done that is more impressive than Kiffin?
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Your argument might be valid on Muschamp but Kelly and Leach? Are you serious?

Muschamp for starters has been successful wherever he has coached. His success at multiple schools validates him. Kiffin was successful with a Co-OC at the best college program going.

Kelly has a career record that rivals Fulmer's. He has coached championship football at the DII level and has raised the programs at Cent. Michigan and Cincinnati is a very short amount of time. Although his roots are primarily defensive, his unique "coast-to-coast" offense has gained critical acclaim. UofC averaged 36 points per game last season.

Leach is very close to competing for a national championship so I am not going to waste my time on how he is a better candidate than Kiffin.

Not sold on Lane Kiffin. Not in the least bit.
 
#120
#120
tm3 said:
unlike '76, there is no consensus choice. they all can be picked at. none is perfect.

gruden, for example: no college HC resume, won the super bowl but with Dungy's team, offense too complicated for college, etc.

quote on kiffin: Kiffin also gained acclaim as dogged recruiter and was able to pull in talent for the Trojans from all over the country. His father, Monte, is one of the foremost defensive minds in football and is currently the defensive coordinator with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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I read the quote earlier. So you are going to hire a guy because of who his dad is? Ask Alabama how that worked out for them.
 
#121
#121
BigOrangeBrian said:
Your argument might be valid on Muschamp but Kelly and Leach? Are you serious?

Muschamp for starters has been successful wherever he has coached. His success at multiple schools validates him. Kiffin was successful with a Co-OC at the best college program going.

Kelly has a career record that rivals Fulmer's. He has coached championship football at the DII level and has raised the programs at Cent. Michigan and Cincinnati is a very short amount of time. Although his roots are primarily defensive, his unique "coast-to-coast" offense has gained critical acclaim. UofC averaged 36 points per game last season.

Leach is very close to competing for a national championship so I am not going to waste my time on how he is a better candidate than Kiffin.

Not sold on Lane Kiffin. Not in the least bit.
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Muschamp is way overrated.

You should waste time on Leach because he's had ONE season of note at the same time the UT job just happens to be open.

If CPF was let go last season Leach wouldn't even be talked about.

You are using USC's success while Kiffin was there against him for some reason.

So I guess it comes down to what you find more impressive between Kelly and Kiffin. Both have positives and negatives.

Do you value a DII title as HC (Kelly) more than what Kiffin did while at USC?
 
#123
#123
Who can you be sold on?

Brewster is at Minn. and they still suck. I can't name a great player on that team. And he is supposed to be a good recruiter?

Kelly may be a good coach but not the fit for TN. I don't see what he can bring to the table. IMO.

Kiffin has to be no.1. He can recruit, he should bring a stella cast with him and he is young and lord he did land the best college football player I have ever seen in Bush.

IMO the list should go:

1. Kiffin
2. Peterson
3. Muschamp
 
#124
#124
Check that, take Peterson to 3 and move Leach to 2

1. Kiffin
2. LEach
3. Peterson
4. Muschamp ( He is going to Aub. anyways)
 
#125
#125
JZVOL said:
Muschamp is way overrated.

You should waste time on Leach because he's had ONE season of note at the same time the UT job just happens to be open.

If CPF was let go last season Leach wouldn't even be talked about.

You are using USC's success while Kiffin was there against him for some reason.

So I guess it comes down to what you find more impressive between Kelly and Kiffin. Both have positives and negatives.

Do you value a DII title as HC (Kelly) more than what Kiffin did while at USC?
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I can see that you and I could argue this all day and still get nowhere. If your argument on Muschamp is limited to, he is "overrated" then that is pretty weak.

Leach and Kelly have both been successful HCs, Kiffin has not. Kiffin's success should be questioned and not just accepted as belonging solely to him, because it happened at one school for a couple of years.

But let's save ourselves and everyone else some time and grief and agree to disagree. :good!:
 
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