Winning with someone else's recruits

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gasguy98

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Saban started winning immediately with Shula's recruits.

The Auburn coach is winning immegiately with players from a 5-7 year.

What is the difference in their circumstances and Kiffin's?


I am not sure we will be 5-7 this year. The next 3 wins are going to be hard to come by.

Is something else at play here?
 
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Saban went 6-6 his first year with a loss to Louisiana Monroe...not the best debut IMO
 
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Tubberville and Gran, as well as Shula, left those teams with more depth and a better crop of recruits than Fulmer did Kiffin.
 
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QB is the most obvious. Second would be great receivers. 3rd would be they weren't left with an empty locker. We have no reserves.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Saban started winning immediately with Shula's recruits.

The Auburn coach is winning immegiately with players from a 5-7 year.

What is the difference in their circumstances and Kiffin's?


I am not sure we will be 5-7 this year. The next 3 wins are going to be hard to come by.

Is something else at play here?
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Class of 2006 Recruiting Rankings:

Tennessee - 23rd

Class of 2008 Recruiting Rankings:

Tennessee - 35th

Any other questions?
 
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gasguy98 said:
Saban started winning immediately with Shula's recruits.

The Auburn coach is winning immegiately with players from a 5-7 year.

What is the difference in their circumstances and Kiffin's?


I am not sure we will be 5-7 this year. The next 3 wins are going to be hard to come by.

Is something else at play here?
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Do some research as to the differences in the way the programs were left, and get back to us. I'm betting that you will probably delete this post...
 
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Don't forget that our Top 3 class from 2005-6 (forgot which year it was) might be the most overrated class in recruiting history.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Saban started winning immediately with Shula's recruits. Fail, Saban went 6-6
The Auburn coach is winning immegiately with players from a 5-7 year. Fail, Talent and Depth was left behind

What is the difference in their circumstances and Kiffin's? Please look at first 2 answers


I am not sure we will be 5-7 this year. The next 3 wins are going to be hard to come by. Memphis,Vandy,KY

Is something else at play here? Yes, your lack of football knowledge
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One other thing, please learn how to spell Jewel in your location. It has 1 L not 2 and please learn more of the game before you question coaches, direction of the team and talent on the roster
 
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Even with the players that were left over from the Fulmer era, you gotta ask the questions of how well were they coached up to begin with? Has this staff had to go and coach them to re-learn fundamentals? I wonder.
 
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volfan4evr said:
Even with the players that were left over from the Fulmer era, you gotta ask the questions of how well were they coached up to begin with? Has this staff had to go and coach them to re-learn fundamentals? I wonder.
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Wonder no more. These guys couldn't line up correctly at the line of scrimmage last year. I hope I'm not the only one that's seen a drastic decline in delay of game penalties, false starts and illegal formations.
 
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What is the difference? Well for one, we are horrible at the most critical position on the field. That is virutally an impossible hurdle to overcome. You can hide a lot of other positions, not that one.
 
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Fulmer left LK with nothing, and over seven of them quit(not sure how many who quit or transferred actually started). LK will bring them in. Be patient. LK is no Saban! Bama gets the whole state as far as recruiting. UT definitely shares theirs. LK will put us in the top four with recruiting this year! We will see.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Tubberville and Gran, as well as Shula, left those teams with more depth and a better crop of recruits than Fulmer did Kiffin.
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Yeah, we had 72 players on scholarship.....I would not call that leaving us with depth....That is like being on probation with scholarship limitations!!!!!!
 
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Aubie36 said:
Yeah, we had 72 players on scholarship.....I would not call that leaving us with depth....That is like being on probation with scholarship limitations!!!!!!
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That's a good point. However, you guys do have two legitimate QB's on scholarship. Congrats on the win.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
That's a good point. However, you guys do have two legitimate QB's on scholarship. Congrats on the win.
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See, that was the problem with Tubs, we have 6 QB's on scholarship...Out of our 72 players, 6 of them are QB's...And trust me when i say this, Todd has been a pleasant suprise. After last year, nobody would have expected him to be back!
 
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gasguy98 said:
Saban started winning immediately with Shula's recruits.

The Auburn coach is winning immegiately with players from a 5-7 year.

What is the difference in their circumstances and Kiffin's?


I am not sure we will be 5-7 this year. The next 3 wins are going to be hard to come by.

Is something else at play here?
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Don't really see your point. Saban was 6-6 his first year and lost to ULA-Monroe. Auburn runs a gimmick offense that is tough to prepare for. Also, Auburn's cupboard was much better stocked than ours. We can thank Fulmer and Co. for that one. Tubberville simply out recruited us and that is why you see the success they are having. Better athletes and better talent. It's gonna take us a couple years. Should be much improved next year, but 2011 will be the breakout season with this team. Patience. Did you honestly think we would come out and win the SEC with this team?!?!?!
 
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Aubie36 said:
See, that was the problem with Tubs, we have 6 QB's on scholarship...Out of our 72 players, 6 of them are QB's...And trust me when i say this, Todd has been a pleasant suprise. After last year, nobody would have expected him to be back!
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I'll send you a case of moon pies for one of 'em. :dance2:
 
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Aubie36 said:
Yeah, we had 72 players on scholarship.....I would not call that leaving us with depth....That is like being on probation with scholarship limitations!!!!!!
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Go away. You can't honestly say you don't have better depth than we do. Idiotic. Congrats on the win, though. You guys should be getting better respect from everyone...that is a talented Auburn team.
 
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samdavol said:
I did not know this. Is this true? If so WoW! Fullmer stuck it to us!:jpshakehead:
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Yes, according to Rivals it's true. In addition, our 2007 class was ranked 3rd with 32 prospects. However, 11 of those guys are no longer with the team -- and one other 5 star prospect, Chris Donald, is buried on the depth chart.

And everyone, well, a lot of posters, are up in arms over the situation. I don't think many people understand or appreciate the void The Fired Coach left in the football program right now.
 
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The more I read the negative posts, the more convinced I feel their from the Fulmerites. The first example is these posters fail to acknowledge we have walkons on the OL not 4 or 5 star OL, walkons. The Sullins brothers have been ok and thank God we have them, the QB's the previous regime left us with, lack of depth and lets not forget the 12 players who decided to take their ball and go elsewhere when they discovered they would have to earn the starting position Coker, Coleman.

Add the players that graduated last year, the defectors and the fact you just can't hide the ineptness at QB like you can in the OL and you have a perfect storm brewing. The team is playing harder then they have the previous 8 yrs, unfortunately the talent is lacking at QB and WR to make this year better.
 
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Fulmer's recruits = Crompton and Stephens

As for what he left us on OL: We've got two walkons and a tight end that have started.

Fulmer's last year here saw him sign an OL from Rhea County whose only other offer was Duke. We also got a pretty decent one (although I don't think a lot of big schools went after him until really late in the game) from South Carolina. #3 was a big fat tub of lard from Mississippi that got booted from FSU for being lazy, then had to quit after transferring to Auburn. That's the OL class Fulmer was going to bring in after a terrible OL sank the 2008 season.

Other OL we've signed lately.

2008
Carson Anderson, 2 star son of a booster that will never play at this level. Preston Bailey, admitted to quitting because practice was too hard. Dallas Thomas, not sure what to think of him yet.

2007
Cody Pope, one of only two OL we signed in 2007, when we appeared to have a lot of recruiting momentum. Doesn't look like he can play at this level. Darris Sawtelle was the other guy we signed that year and he will never play football again due to injuries some of which I'm pretty sure occurred in high school.

2006
Ramone Johnson, got the boot for drugs. Darius Myers left because he couldn't hack it. Jaques McLendon, he's been a good one for us this year. Wish he wasn't graduating. We also brought in three star Jarrod Shaw, who's currently getting PT.

2005
Josh McNeil has been a good player, but he won't be playing for us again. Chris Scott is playing well this year, which means we got one good year out of him. Malcom Rawls was a player from Memphis that couldn't rise on the depth chart and transferred.

To help out that crew, we've moved William Brimfield and Vlad Richard from the DL to the OL. Vlad has certainly done well. Additionally, Aaron Douglas has moved from TE and shows some promise. The walkon Sullins brothers have also played admirably. I may have missed someone, but that's pretty much our OL depth right there.

I'd be interested to see what kind of situation Saban's OL was in back in 2007, but I highly doubt it was that bad. They had a future first round pick at LT. And I don't think I've got to get into how who had the better QB.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Tubberville and Gran, as well as Shula, left those teams with more depth and a better crop of recruits than Fulmer did Kiffin.
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4 of our last 5 recruiting classes were top 25. 3 of them were top 10. The talent excuse is lame. I know we are thin at OL, and WR (partly because of injury), but if Kiffin were winning haters would say, "Yeah, with Fulmer's recruits." The same irrational argument is being made by the Kiffinettes. We have talent.
 
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nbakerld said:
We have talent.
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Like who? Eric Berry? Beyond him, some of our most productive players are guys Kiffin brought in (Brown, Oku, Janzen Jackson) or guys that did nothing prior to this year (Montario Hardesty, Quintin Hancock, both Sullins brothers, Aaron Douglas, Chris Scott).
 
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