Willie Martinez out at GA/UT Implications?

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Admiral Scot said:
And as far as coaching in the NFL,...hiding out in that league and being an anonymous kog in the wheel isn't really an accomplishment. There isn't much "coaching up" in that league, what coaching there is means coaching the skills of the players into a win scheme,
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#77
"ok" - see I can supply one word responses also.

Man, the banter and ability to discuss is staggering on here. The longer I'm on VolNation the more and more it just seems like a kool-aid page instead of actual page about knowledge and critical examination of the sport and UT. But there is a lot of gramatical knowledge to be learned from the debate, so I guess that is a bonus.
 
#78
#78
Admiral Scot said:
At SoCal he recruited,...and? I think their offense put them is some pretty choice positions to play defense any way they wanted to, regardless of who was coaching. So I
I'm not willing to give Coach O the credit for the SoCall dynasty just yet. I wasn't there, but I think Chow and a few of the other nobodies that coached there had something to do with the success out there, and hell Coach Carroll might have a hand in some of the coaching decision too? And he was lucky to be on the staff at SoCal because if they were so great due do The O, maybe Paul Hackett would have kept his job longer?

Coach O was brilliant at Ol' Miss wasn't he,...what did that cup of coffee get em' ??? Think that speaks for itself.

And as far as coaching in the NFL,...hiding out in that league and being an anonymous kog in the wheel isn't really an accomplishment. There isn't much "coaching up" in that league, what coaching there is means coaching the skills of the players into a win scheme, and when I see the Dave Campos of the world, June Jones, & host of Jerry Glanville's making careers on Sunday it doesn't inspire confidence that the NFL is the breeding ground of AWESOMENESS? Nobody will ask him back to that level and there is enough bad football minds allowed in the NFL for a short-time for everyone.

those are facts....enjoy the Louisville Game
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Johnny Cash sucked. He was a wife cheating, drugged out, ex-con.*














* I am just busting the admirals balz. I actually liked Johnny. :)
 
#79
#79
Admiral Scot said:
"ok" - see I can supply one word responses also.

Man, the banter and ability to discuss is staggering on here. The longer I'm on VolNation the more and more it just seems like a kool-aid page instead of actual page about knowledge and critical examination of the sport and UT. But there is a lot of gramatical knowledge to be learned from the debate, so I guess that is a bonus.
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Do you mean "critical examination" like this \/. It is hard to take you serious when you start off with such outlandish comments.

Admiral Scot said:
Can't wait till the off-season when tha playas start going to jail. ....
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#80
Admiral Scot said:
"ok" - see I can supply one word responses also.

Man, the banter and ability to discuss is staggering on here. The longer I'm on VolNation the more and more it just seems like a kool-aid page instead of actual page about knowledge and critical examination of the sport and UT. But there is a lot of gramatical knowledge to be learned from the debate, so I guess that is a bonus.
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I'm not sure what there is to discuss when you just basically intimated that the NFL is full of a bunch of coaches with the IQ of a Cocker Spaniel that are looking to hide from real jobs. It's just ludicrous.
 
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Although Cash carefully cultivated a romantic outlaw image, he never served a prison sentence. Despite landing in jail seven times for misdemeanors, each stay lasted only a single night. His most infamous run-in with the law occurred while on tour in 1965, when he was arrested by a narcotics squad in El Paso, Texas. The officers suspected that he was smuggling heroin from Mexico, but it was prescription narcotics and amphetamines that the singer had hidden inside his guitar case. Because they were prescription drugs rather than illegal narcotics, he received a suspended sentence.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss when you just basically intimated that the NFL is full of a bunch of coaches with the IQ of a Cocker Spaniel that are looking to hide from real jobs. It's just ludicrous.
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Well?...alot of em' don't coach?

What about the Ol' Miss position?

How bout' the Justice League of Coaches at SoCal for the past decade?

What about The O being on Hackett (I got fired from SoCal) staff and not winning?

What about if The O was so awesome he would have stayed in the NFL, THE PINNACLE OF FOOTBALL?

Just askin',....there were a few other points,...the cocker-spaniel joke was funny though.
 
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Admiral Scot said:
Well?...alot of em' don't coach?

What about the Ol' Miss position?

How bout' the Justice League of Coaches at SoCal for the past decade?

What about The O being on Hackett (I got fired from SoCal) staff and not winning?

What about if The O was so awesome he would have stayed in the NFL, THE PINNACLE OF FOOTBALL?

Just askin',....there were a few other points,...the cocker-spaniel joke was funny though.
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IMO - Coach O is a good recruiter based upon the caliber of players he brought into USC and Ole Miss. Look what Nutt did with his players last year and what the Ole Miss Defensive front looked like against us this year. He has not proven to be head coach material.

He also appears to be a good motivator based upon the energy level of the team.

You can discount his NFL experience, but that it just silly.

You mentioned CLK failing when Monte leaves. As long as he remains healthy, I donÂ’t see him leaving. If the team is not playing well, he will want to help his son. If the team is playing well, then he will want to stay and enjoy it.
 
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For hijacking my thread with your drivel, Admiral, I'm going to bust you down to Ensign!!:furious3:
 
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#86
Ok...this is a stupid argument. If anybody here really thinks that Pastor Richt is going after CEO...I really have to scratch my head. You could not find two people on more opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
#87
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Sorry Admiral.

But when you start out all full of fire and vinegar, and then complain about the lack of intellectual discussion, well - it comes across as a load of bull.

Next time come in with some valid points and you might get a better reception.

Maybe.
 
#88
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DownTheField said:
You may want to argue about what his title actually means, but CEO's title at UT is "assistant head coach/recruiting coordinator/defensive line".

I'm pretty sure AHC > DC
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^This. Cotton is just arguing for the sake of arguing. He has much more upside at UT and turning UT's program around will look MUCH better on his resume than being at UGA for 1-2 years as DC anyway.
 
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81Bubbavol said:
Sorry Admiral.

But when you start out all full of fire and vinegar, and then complain about the lack of intellectual discussion, well - it comes across as a load of bull.

Next time come in with some valid points and you might get a better reception.

Maybe.
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trying reading before answering....or maybe instead of reading, try comprehension, processing,...etc. etc. then answering....
 
#91
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The only thing I comprehend is that Georgia just plain sucks and it is going to get worse for that program. They do not know how to use talent on either side of the ball. I hope CMR figures out a way to keep Martinez and Bobo.
 
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i do agree with that.... CMR is such a loyal and nice guy if he could figure out a way to keep the staff intact for one more year that would sink GA further into the hole...

with another season like this one recruiting would get increasingly hard and there could be a house cleaning
 
#93
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ljeller said:
^This. Cotton is just arguing for the sake of arguing. He has much more upside at UT and turning UT's program around will look MUCH better on his resume than being at UGA for 1-2 years as DC anyway.
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Nobody said anything about upside, or turning a program around, or fluffing his resume. I said the move wouldn't be lateral because DC at Georgia is a rung higher on the hierarchical ladder than position coach at UT, and that is truth.

As for the equation, it is simply wrong. If AHC > DC, then Orgeron is above Monte. Anybody believe that is actually the case?
 
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cotton said:
Nobody said anything about upside, or turning a program around, or fluffing his resume. I said the move wouldn't be lateral because DC at Georgia is a rung higher on the hierarchical ladder than position coach at UT, and that is truth.

As for the equation, it is simply wrong. If AHC > DC, then Orgeron is above Monte. Anybody believe that is actually the case?
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Thanks for pointing out the exception that makes my case. As I already said earlier: "The salary situation at UT is unique and won't happen at UGA."

Now, would you like to point out any other examples?
 
#95
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DownTheField said:
Thanks for pointing out the exception that makes my case. As I already said earlier: "The salary situation at UT is unique and won't happen at UGA."

Now, would you like to point out any other examples?
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The move wouldn't be lateral. I really don't understand the argument against that, especially when "exceptions" to your flawed reasoning only seem to make you think it is reinforced.
 
#96
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cotton said:
The move wouldn't be lateral. I really don't understand the argument against that, especially when "exceptions" to your flawed reasoning only seem to make you think it is reinforced.
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Well, then, I see that you have no other examples.. thanks.
 
#97
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cotton said:
The move wouldn't be lateral. I really don't understand the argument against that, especially when "exceptions" to your flawed reasoning only seem to make you think it is reinforced.
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Your reasoning is badly flawed if you think that a move from Assistant Head Coach/Rec. Coordinator/D-Line Coach at UT to Defensive Coordinator at UGA is a promotion.
 
#99
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cotton said:
Examples of what, DC's being higher up the food chain than position coaches?
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Look, if you can't or won't grant that having the head coach's dad as our DC and getting paid 1.5 mil is an exception to the typical setup among coaching staffs, then we are certainly at an impasse. CEO is Tennessee's assistant head coach and makes twice as much as UGA's current and future DC. So, you're right about one thing: the move would certainly not be lateral- it would be a demotion.
 
#100
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cotton said:
The move wouldn't be lateral. I really don't understand the argument against that, especially when "exceptions" to your flawed reasoning only seem to make you think it is reinforced.
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If the only variable was the title of his position, then yes, DC is better than DL coach. Except it's not the only variable. There are a host of reasons (previously mentioned by others) why coaching at UT is going to look great on a resume.

Rebuilding a program is a challenge, and a challenge that most potential employers are going to want proof of. I think it's safe to say that programs that are struggling replace coaches more often than programs coming of a national championship. Therefore, they'll want someone to rebuild, and for that they'll want some kind of proof.

For that reason, among others, moving to UGA, while nominally a promotion, is in practice a lateral maneuver. In my opinion, of course.
 
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