(William)Caller on Doc Jeff and Heather this morning

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I was listening to the show this morning. Regardless of how I feel about drug abuse, I would never, NEVER, repeatedly goad the Father of someone who died as a result of drugs. Did he make an initial choice? Sure. But that doesn't make it ok to mock the family on public radio, repeatedly.

Making a serious post feels weird. Going back to shenanigans.
 
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#102
The Ron Mexico said:
I was listening to the show this morning. Regardless of how I feel about drug abuse, I would never, NEVER, repeatedly goad the Father of someone who died as a result of drugs. Did he make an initial choice? Sure. But that doesn't make it ok to mock the family on public radio, repeatedly.

Making a serious post feels weird. Going back to shenanigans.
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Humor can be found in an endless amount of situations. A parent losing a child isn't one of them. Regardless of how they lost them.
 
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sickemsmokey10 said:
you're right to a certain degree.

it starts out as a choice, but it quickly turns into not being a choice.
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Yes to a certain extent. Did the person that got addicted to them do it because they were prescribed it for surgery or something like that...? Or did the person just do drugs to fit in or do it because they thought it was the "cool" thing to do and got addicted to them...?

I know far to many kids that have suffered at the hands of their parents because the parents would rather do drugs than take care of their children. So call me insensitive or what ever but honestly I have no sympathy for drug addicts.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Don't know the answer to the first 2 question's, but it's always annoying when one person asks a question by using the collective term "we" when he/she is the only one asking the question. But looking at your handle, it makes sense as to you being annoying and all.
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Yet your post contributed so much.
 
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99gator said:
i had a brother who died from muscular dystrophy when i was 10 years old. my brother was 18.

we all have our own personal stories. this one is the reason why my well of compassion isn't very deep for drug and alcohol addicts.

when you see someone slowly suffer over a period of years until the disease finally wins through no fault of their own, it's hard to weep for those who made personal choices that contributed to their demise.

i wish nothing but good things for everyone, but i can't feel sorry for anyone who made the decision to destroy themselves. same way i can't feel sorry for the cigarette smoker who gets lung cancer.

i refuse to refer to alcohol and drug addiction as a disease.

when you see places like st. jude's, drug and alcohol addicts just don't get any sympathy from me.

i have a real hard time weeping for bulimics and anorexics too.

i respect that what they are going through is quite serious. but, again, when someone's personal choices cause the problem, i don't have the same sorrow that i do when someone is struck down by something that they had nothing to do with
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Obviously I have no concept of the pain you have endured and how it has influenced the person you are today. Though I can't see how that suffering would totally preclude any sort of sympathy for the afflictions of those who are weak, it's certainly neither my place nor my intention to suggest how you should feel/react to this subject.

My initial expression was sympathy for Doc, who (as I'm sure you could empathize) experienced unimaginable pain at the death of his son. Peace to you and your family.
 
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#106
After listening to the segment, I believe it could have easily been handled in a different manner that would have not resulted as it did. There's no doubt William is classless, but they should have cut him off or steered the conversation off the obvious specific topic.

By the way, those who are complaining about this show or the Ainge show should be forced to listed the the sports talk the eastern part of bammer has to offer.
 
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99gator said:
i had a brother who died from muscular dystrophy when i was 10 years old. my brother was 18.

we all have our own personal stories. this one is the reason why my well of compassion isn't very deep for drug and alcohol addicts.

when you see someone slowly suffer over a period of years until the disease finally wins through no fault of their own, it's hard to weep for those who made personal choices that contributed to their demise.

i wish nothing but good things for everyone, but i can't feel sorry for anyone who made the decision to destroy themselves. same way i can't feel sorry for the cigarette smoker who gets lung cancer.

i refuse to refer to alcohol and drug addiction as a disease.

when you see places like st. jude's, drug and alcohol addicts just don't get any sympathy from me.

i have a real hard time weeping for bulimics and anorexics too.

i respect that what they are going through is quite serious. but, again, when someone's personal choices cause the problem, i don't have the same sorrow that i do when someone is struck down by something that they had nothing to do with
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Really, well maybe you should perform a little research on alcohol and drug addiction. There is a difference in brain chemistry in an addict vs a "normal" person. The area of your brain that handles starvation and puts you into survival mode when you go days without eating (the part the Donner party encountered) that can make you eat odd things, even other human beings gets rewired to seek out drugs. It doesn't stop easily. It takes a period of over 6 months of rehabilitation and treatment for this effect to be reversed. This is SCIENCE, not an opinion. Check the CT scans for yourself.

Drug and alcohol addiction is genetic, and the AMA classifies a disease as something that is progressive, chronic, and fatal if left untreated. If the AMA accepts alcoholism and drug addiction as a disease... maybe others should as well. Genetic factors are also present in addiction. Very, very rarely will you find an addict that doesn't have a family tree full of other addicts.

Addiction is progressive. It is Chronic. It will also be fatal if left untreated. There are hospitals that care only for addicts and alcoholics. Go to alanon for a while and learn before you speak. I won't deny that it is through some fault of their own doing. I have Crohn's disease. It has caused me to miss months of work accumulatively. I don't take issue with addicts because they played a fault in their disease though. Judgment is not mine to give.
 
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#108
Smoking cigarettes is a disease? It's an addiction. It's chronic. It's fatal left untreated.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I never said that, but what she may or may not have done as a college student doesn't apply to her career as a member of the media now.

You implied that she was having relationships with current players, and that is not accurate.
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I wouldn't call them relationships.
 
#110
#110
It's the AMA's definition, not mine...

However, valid point. How many smokers do you know that want to quit, but don't?
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
Really, well maybe you should perform a little research on alcohol and drug addiction. There is a difference in brain chemistry in an addict vs a "normal" person. The area of your brain that handles starvation and puts you into survival mode when you go days without eating (the part the Donner party encountered) that can make you eat odd things, even other human beings gets rewired to seek out drugs. It doesn't stop easily. It takes a period of over 6 months of rehabilitation and treatment for this effect to be reversed. This is SCIENCE, not an opinion. Check the CT scans for yourself.

Drug and alcohol addiction is genetic, and the AMA classifies a disease as something that is progressive, chronic, and fatal if left untreated. If the AMA accepts alcoholism and drug addiction as a disease... maybe others should as well. Genetic factors are also present in addiction. Very, very rarely will you find an addict that doesn't have a family tree full of other addicts.

Addiction is progressive. It is Chronic. It will also be fatal if left untreated. There are hospitals that care only for addicts and alcoholics. Go to alanon for a while and learn before you speak. I won't deny that it is through some fault of their own doing. I have Crohn's disease. It has caused me to miss months of work accumulatively. I don't take issue with addicts because they played a fault in their disease though. Judgment is not mine to give.
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Valid argument. But doesn't the addict that has a family tree full of addicts have a choice to stop the cycle just as much as he or she does to continue it? I'm not a professional in the field of addiction to drugs, but what I do know is that I have seen and dealt with kids of parents that are addicts who's lives are ruined.
 
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#112
Its an epidemic... It's awful, and yes you are correct. Everyone in that situation has the ability to break the cycle and never experiment with drugs. The issue is, most of us go through this stage when we are coming of age where we think we are invincible and that is when the disease takes ahold of the person with the genetic makeup needed for addiction. I know if I were in those shoes, I would probably be a junkie myself. My parents told me to never smoke pot. Guess what I did? Smoked pot. My parents told me drinking was bad... guess who got drunk? My parents told me harder drugs were awful. Guess who dosed as a teenager and climbed trees without ever physically touching a branch. My parents also told me speeding was against the law. Guess who got caught drag racing doing 127 on Kingston Pike?

If we all learned from other's mistakes or other's foresight, the world would be a much different place. Living in a world of ideals sounds amazing, but it's just not the way we work. Unfortunately, most of us only learn by our own experience and think we are not like the people who try to warn us. I know that was the case with me. My wife graduated HS with over a 4.0 GPA. She had a full ride to Vandy, Stanford, Yale, etc. She was 2 semesters away from a hell of a nice degree at UT because she wanted to stay close to home. She blew it all, and I seriously doubt it is really what she wanted from life...
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
Its an epidemic... It's awful, and yes you are correct. Everyone in that situation has the ability to break the cycle and never experiment with drugs. The issue is, most of us go through this stage when we are coming of age where we think we are invincible and that is when the disease takes ahold of the person with the genetic makeup needed for addiction. I know if I were in those shoes, I would probably be a junkie myself. My parents told me to never smoke pot. Guess what I did? Smoked pot. My parents told me drinking was bad... guess who got drunk? My parents told me harder drugs were awful. Guess who dosed as a teenager and climbed trees without ever physically touching a branch. My parents also told me speeding was against the law. Guess who got caught drag racing doing 127 on Kingston Pike?

If we all learned from other's mistakes or other's foresight, the world would be a much different place. Living in a world of ideals sounds amazing, but it's just not the way we work. Unfortunately, most of us only learn by our own experience and think we are not like the people who try to warn us. I know that was the case with me. My wife graduated HS with over a 4.0 GPA. She had a full ride to Vandy, Stanford, Yale, etc. She was 2 semesters away from a hell of a nice degree at UT because she wanted to stay close to home. She blew it all, and I seriously doubt it is really what she wanted from life...
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True. And we all make mistakes some make bigger ones than others do. But it's not the mistakes we make in life that makes us who we are it's what we learn from them and how we deal with them, and figuring out a way not to do them again that makes us who we are. One could argue you are a product of your environment, which to a certain extent you are. But it's your choice to do with your life what you want to. Ain't nobody going to answer for you and your wrong doings but you at judgment. And I know as well as everyone else that death will come upon all of us and as we sit on our death bed it will not be what we did the good and bad that bothers us, yet it will be what we didn't get to do that bothers us. Because I can assure you I've did some dumb crap in my life of which none of it I am embarrassed of. It's what makes me who I am today. I've went through some rather tough times in my life that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I took a negative situation and turned it into something positive.
 
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dembewbs said:
True. And we all make mistakes some make bigger ones than others do. But it's not the mistakes we make in life that makes us who we are it's what we learn from them and how we deal with them, and figuring out a way not to do them again that makes us who we are. One could argue you are a product of your environment, which to a certain extent you are. But it's your choice to do with your life what you want to. Ain't nobody going to answer for you and your wrong doings but you at judgment. And I know as well as everyone else that death will come upon all of us and as we sit on our death bed it will not be what we did the good and bad that bothers us, yet it will be what we didn't get to do that bothers us. Because I can assure you I've did some dumb crap in my life of which none of it I am embarrassed of. It's what makes me who I am today. I've went through some rather tough times in my life that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I took a negative situation and turned it into something positive.
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As have I. Being the best single father on the face of the planet being my primary motivator. I did a lot of dumb things too. Making mistakes enables room for growth. Making the same mistakes on the other hand... That is insanity. There is nothing sane about the disease of addiction, and I will never claim anything contrary to that. There is a reason the first 3 steps of 12 step programs are 1: admitting life is unmanageable(insanity or I can't). 2: God can fix my insanity, and 3: I'm gonna surrender my will and let him.

Simple concept, but addiction is a cunning enemy and people that suffer addiction are manipulating themselves as much, if not more than those around them.
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
Its an epidemic... It's awful, and yes you are correct. Everyone in that situation has the ability to break the cycle and never experiment with drugs. The issue is, most of us go through this stage when we are coming of age where we think we are invincible and that is when the disease takes ahold of the person with the genetic makeup needed for addiction. I know if I were in those shoes, I would probably be a junkie myself. My parents told me to never smoke pot. Guess what I did? Smoked pot. My parents told me drinking was bad... guess who got drunk? My parents told me harder drugs were awful. Guess who dosed as a teenager and climbed trees without ever physically touching a branch. My parents also told me speeding was against the law. Guess who got caught drag racing doing 127 on Kingston Pike?

If we all learned from other's mistakes or other's foresight, the world would be a much different place. Living in a world of ideals sounds amazing, but it's just not the way we work. Unfortunately, most of us only learn by our own experience and think we are not like the people who try to warn us. I know that was the case with me. My wife graduated HS with over a 4.0 GPA. She had a full ride to Vandy, Stanford, Yale, etc. She was 2 semesters away from a hell of a nice degree at UT because she wanted to stay close to home. She blew it all, and I seriously doubt it is really what she wanted from life...
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Correct you are.
 
#121
#121
I'm a playa... what are my chances with the diva? I will say one thing, she is SOOO much more attractive before she opens that yapper... dumber than a box of rocks...
 
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#122
Does anyone have the audio of the call saved? I clicked the link that was posted earlier, but the call is no longer there.

Like most others here, I can't stand Doc, Jeff and Heather, but there is no excuse for that jackass' comments to a father that lost his son to addiction. Pathetic.
 
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