Will there be a TEAM CHEMISTRY problem?

#51
#51
The only staff issues that would ever come up is if someone was anti Kiffin... HC in charge of Offense, his Dad in charge of Defense... Who could start a power struggle??
 
#52
#52
There were more flaws in ut's coaching staff than there were with rivals. USC, UF and the like get big classes and win because they further develop players. The past 8 years UT really struggled to develop their star recruits. Rivals gets it right far far more than they get it wrong. What happens once a 4 or 5 star gets on a campus is out of rivals' hands.
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volfanbill said:
There were more flaws in ut's coaching staff than there were with rivals. USC, UF and the like get big classes and win because they further develop players. The past 8 years UT really struggled to develop their star recruits. Rivals gets it right far far more than they get it wrong. What happens once a 4 or 5 star gets on a campus is out of rivals' hands.
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I would argue that they get most 3 and 4's right and the 5's are hit and miss. They have been getting better at the 5's though.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I would argue that they get most 3 and 4's right and the 5's are hit and miss. They have been getting better at the 5's though.
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They have always been good at the fives. The recruiting ratings are not the problem. Coaching them once they get here is the problem. What people perceive as a miss on a 5 star is someone who only winds up being average at a USC or UF. NCAA coaches will take that every day and twice on Saturdays, including Carroll and Meyer whom these kids are only average for
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volfanbill said:
They have always been good at the fives. The recruiting ratings are not the problem. Coaching them once they get here is the problem. What people perceive as a miss on a 5 star is someone who only winds up being average at a USC or UF. NCAA coaches will take that every day and twice on Saturdays, including Carroll and Meyer whom these kids are only average for
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Going back to 2002, it's probably at 50-60% at getting the five stars right as far as what they could do\have done in college. Your right, the recruiting ratings are the problem, it's the fact that people don't see players they see stars and think that we have AA's on the bench. Also, the main states where we used to get a lot of our talent Texas, Georgia, and Florida have locked up most of the talent now and it stays in state. Getting the leftovers in the SEC isn't exactly what makes a great team.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Going back to 2002, it's probably at 50-60% at getting the five stars right as far as what they could do\have done in college. Your right, the recruiting ratings are the problem, it's the fact that people don't see players they see stars and think that we have AA's on the bench. Also, the main states where we used to get a lot of our talent Texas, Georgia, and Florida have locked up most of the talent now and it stays in state. Getting the leftovers in the SEC isn't exactly what makes a great team.
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This is why we HAVE to put Tennessee back on the map as an elite program under the Lane Kiffin era! If we fail now, our big-time out of state blue chippers will never come to Knoxville. There is a big difference in a stud from Maryville/Williamson Co. vs studs from Florida and Alabama.
 
#57
#57
I can't see any staff issue in the next couple of seasons. Once Monte is gone the whole dynamic changes.If Coach O becomes DC like we all assume he will, how long can we expect him to stay before he jumps to a HC job? Can we really expect Coach O to stay until Monte leaves if a dramatic turn around in the program occurs? Tension in the staff probably won't be an issue in 2009 and 2010 seasons, assuming the team improves. If they get worse I won't even speculate what might happen. I am so excited about the potential of this staff. I also have so many questions that it makes my head spin. The only thing I can say is... :popcorn:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kiffin has a new boat, where as Fulmer's sank. Kiffin is forming a USC type staff, no problems out there. We will be fine. In fact, I would say that Kiffin is going to be a lot like Carroll with this team.
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It's pretty obvious that that is his goal. I hope Kiffin has the wisdom to know that he will have to make the program into his own. Pure emulation is seldom successful...


**Solid commentary in this thread Eric.
 
#59
#59
Team chemistry is always a concern. I like our chances though with these coaches building a good team atmosphere.
 
#60
#60
I don't think that we will have any issues with the staff. They are making too much money to have any conflicts. I think that O was consulted before they offered the DL to Garner. That shows he does not have an ego and wants to win. As far as recruiting goes, UT has stockpiled highly rated WR's, LB's, and Athletes but no OL and DL. The big guys in the trenches win championships. We also have not had a great qb since Manning. It was not a question about player development, coaching, or even discipline. UF recruit players that fit CUM's system. They have also recruited on the line of scrimmage. That is why they are successfull and we have been left behind. CLK has made it clear that DT and OL are his main areas for concern. We will have a QB next year. Jake Heaps from Washington. CLK is doing a great job. I particularly like the fact that he put some players on notice for behavior issues. CLK has brought excitement back to this team and I think the staff is already better than what we had. Even the stregnth coach is an upgrade.
 
#62
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Orgeron probably told Kiffin he didn't want Garner coaching the Dline. UT's probably better without Garner, since he and Orgeron wouldn't get along. Monte Kiffin needs to let Orgeron do what he wants.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I have been worried about this from day one. Kiffin is putting together an awesome staff. But, can all these high profile coaches keep from getting into a pissing match? I sure hope so. The coaches have to have chemistry. Without it, the TEAM will not have chemistry.

If, Kiffin did offer Garner the DL position. How do you think O felt about it? Maybe he was willing to do something new. But, I doubt it.

By the way, Garner isn't a big loss. The defense was ranked number 22 in the country this year, and 6th in the conference behind UT/AL tied for 3rd, UF 8th, USC 14th, and Mississippi 19th. Considering their offense was better than everyones except UF. I don't think their defense did that well. Besides, we put up 50 points on them two years ago.
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I have wondered this very thing. It reminds of some of the teams that Jerry Jones has put together. Excellent players that cant play together. Hope its a non issue. GO VOLS!!
 
#64
#64
CLK seems to be a business-like coach that believes in a "nip it in the bud" approach and I think if he had any coach chemistry problems that he would fix it quickly just as he would with player chemistry problems. I was impressed that he had a meeting with 8-10 players and told them they are on thin ice and had better straighten up. I think he sends that message with everyone he deals with.
 
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ledhed43 said:
I think the staff will be fine, the players are the question. I don't know how the guys that are here will react to all of this especially when they have to go to work in the spring.
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I agree. I always thought some of our woes last year were attributed to the players and not totally the coaches faults.

Read on another board some statements similar to yours.
 
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VolsRule said:
Orgeron probably told Kiffin he didn't want Garner coaching the Dline. UT's probably better without Garner, since he and Orgeron wouldn't get along. Monte Kiffin needs to let Orgeron do what he wants.
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O for DC?
 
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