Will the Vols End the Season Ranked?

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So getting a little ahead of ourselves--will Tennessee end the 2015 season ranked? Believe it or not, the chances are pretty good, if we win out.

Final standings in Division I-A are surprisingly steady, year after year. There will always be between 0 and 3 undefeated teams (average: 1), between 2 and 7 teams with 1 loss or less (average: 5), and between 9 and 15 teams with 2 or fewer losses (average: 12 ... one exception to this last rule; one year 17 teams ended with 2 or fewer losses). Happens year after year after year, like clockwork, since we went to a 12-game regular season. That means we can predict the end of 2015 with some degree of confidence.

In the CFP/BCS era, there have never been fewer than four teams ranked in the final AP poll with 4 or 5 losses. A few years saw 10 or more! In fact, in 1999, a record 11 teams ended the year in the AP Poll with 4 or 5 losses. On average, 6 to 7 teams to get ranked each year with 4 or 5 losses (no six-loss team has been ranked in the CFP/BCS era...or probably ever).

So if the Vols can win out, including our bowl game, we have a very good chance of being in the final AP Poll.

But how high? Well, the highest any 4-loss team was ever ranked in the CFP/BCS era was #12 in the country. That happened twice: Florida in 1999, and Tennessee (yes, us) in 2007. The average ranking of the best 4-loss team each year is about #16. With an average of 6.6 teams spread between #16 and #25, that makes the average 4-loss ranking at year's end somewhere around #20.

So: win out, and get a ranking somewhere between #12 and #25, likely between #16 and #20. Not too shabby. But we gotta win out. Including the bowl.

It is not rare for a 5-loss team to make the final AP poll, but it's not an annual occurence either. Happens about once every two years. Only once in the CFP/BCS era have two 5-loss teams made the Top 25 (Texas and Purdue back in 1999).

So, we lose one more game, and the chance drops dramatically that we would end the year ranked. If we were seen as the "best 5-loss team in the nation," maybe. But there are no games left this year that we could lose that wouldn't tarnish our current "best 4-loss team in the country" distinction (a left-handed compliment given to the Vols by a few different sports reporters since the Bama loss).

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As mentioned at the outset, this is getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. First, we gotta win six straight games, which is not a gimme by any means. But it's kinda fun to look ahead to the possibilities. Would be nice to end the season ranked for the first time since 2007. And a nice way to build steam for a 2016 championship run. :good!:

Go Vols!
 
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We absolutely have to win out the regular season. If we do not, the legion of the miserable will be at full force this off season. We win out, we have a lot of mojo going into the off season, we end the season ranked, and go 9-4. Then next year come out and be a real contender.
 
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When we win out plus a bowl victory, that put's us 9 and 4 and around 20th, then going into the 2016 season we will be ranked 10 to 15.
 
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Just like all rankings, none of it matters unless you win. The rankings are simply on paper and really don't mean squat until Nov.

Ending the season ranked is nice and all, but has no bearing on 2016. See the end of 1985, 2001, 2004, & 2007.
 
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Just like all rankings, none of it matters unless you win. The rankings are simply on paper and really don't mean squat until Nov.

Ending the season ranked is nice and all, but has no bearing on 2016. See the end of 1985, 2001, 2004, & 2007.

One could argue that anything outside the #1 ranking doesn't really matter.

Seeing that 2004 date up there gave me heart burn. Thanks for that memory.
 
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I'd like to see Tennessee play Duke or North Carolina in the Belk Bowl and if Tennessee plays in the Music City Bowl Penn State or Northwestern.

Id say yes to the north carolina part if they beat USCe the first game of the season. Penn state or northwestern would be a more intriguing matchup imo
 
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LAST thing on my mind. Vols SHOULD be in the top ten; with ONE LOSS; maybe undefeated. In regards to speculating CAN WE JUST FINISH THE SEASON ONE AT A TIME? If we don't beat UK, Forget about it. (and beating uk aint gonna be easy. This is their season saving game vs UT)
 
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One could argue that anything outside the #1 ranking doesn't really matter.

Seeing that 2004 date up there gave me heart burn. Thanks for that memory.

Sorry about the heartburn! :no:

I somewhat agree about the #1 ranking being all that matters and it's certainly true for a handful of teams (Bama, etc.) but for a team on the rise being ranked is not bad.
 
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LAST thing on my mind. Vols SHOULD be in the top ten; with ONE LOSS; maybe undefeated. In regards to speculating CAN WE JUST FINISH THE SEASON ONE AT A TIME? If we don't beat UK, Forget about it. (and beating uk aint gonna be easy. This is their season saving game vs UT)

Well you know what? The Seahawks SHOULD have won the super bowl but they didn't. Just because it SHOULD happen doesn't always mean it will.
 
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LAST thing on my mind. Vols SHOULD be in the top ten; with ONE LOSS; maybe undefeated. In regards to speculating CAN WE JUST FINISH THE SEASON ONE AT A TIME? If we don't beat UK, Forget about it. (and beating uk aint gonna be easy. This is their season saving game vs UT)


Even if the Tennessee defense has an off night Tennessee should beat UK by at least 2 touchdowns because their defense will never stop Tennessee's offense or probably even slow it down.
 
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So getting a little ahead of ourselves--will Tennessee end the 2015 season ranked? Believe it or not, the chances are pretty good, if we win out.

Final standings in Division I-A are surprisingly steady, year after year. There will always be between 0 and 3 undefeated teams (average: 1), between 2 and 7 teams with 1 loss or less (average: 5), and between 9 and 15 teams with 2 or fewer losses (average: 12 ... one exception to this last rule; one year 17 teams ended with 2 or fewer losses). Happens year after year after year, like clockwork, since we went to a 12-game regular season. That means we can predict the end of 2015 with some degree of confidence.



In the CFP/BCS era, there have never been fewer than four teams ranked in the final AP poll with 4 or 5 losses. A few years saw 10 or more! In fact, in 1999, a record 11 teams ended the year in the AP Poll with 4 or 5 losses. On average, 6 to 7 teams to get ranked each year with 4 or 5 losses (no six-loss team has been ranked in the CFP/BCS era...or probably ever).

So if the Vols can win out, including our bowl game, we have a very good chance of being in the final AP Poll.

But how high? Well, the highest any 4-loss team was ever ranked in the CFP/BCS era was #12 in the country. That happened twice: Florida in 1999, and Tennessee (yes, us) in 2007. The average ranking of the best 4-loss team each year is about #16. With an average of 6.6 teams spread between #16 and #25, that makes the average 4-loss ranking at year's end somewhere around #20.

So: win out, and get a ranking somewhere between #12 and #25, likely between #16 and #20. Not too shabby. But we gotta win out. Including the bowl.

It is not rare for a 5-loss team to make the final AP poll, but it's not an annual occurence either. Happens about once every two years. Only once in the CFP/BCS era have two 5-loss teams made the Top 25 (Texas and Purdue back in 1999).

So, we lose one more game, and the chance drops dramatically that we would end the year ranked. If we were seen as the "best 5-loss team in the nation," maybe. But there are no games left this year that we could lose that wouldn't tarnish our current "best 4-loss team in the country" distinction (a left-handed compliment given to the Vols by a few different sports reporters since the Bama loss).

~ ~ ~​

As mentioned at the outset, this is getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. First, we gotta win six straight games, which is not a gimme by any means. But it's kinda fun to look ahead to the possibilities. Would be nice to end the season ranked for the first time since 2007. And a nice way to build steam for a 2016 championship run. :good!:

Go Vols!


Yeah well IF we end up with 5 losses, who cares what the pundits say? Salve on the wound? Tenn just hasn't made the plays at critical times this season; and it's been a pattern; so not just happenstance; or bad luck. Got to fix that. The positive is they have continued to play hard.
 
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Even if the Tennessee defense has an off night Tennessee should beat UK by at least 2 touchdowns because their defense will never stop Tennessee's offense or probably even slow it down.

Well Sir, just watch the game. I've seen too many of these go down to the wire. Vegas has UT -7. UK at home will be tough. I'll be happy with a 1 pt win; and you KNOW we cant kick a FG.
 
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Yes. The Vols will be 8-4 to finish the regular season and be just inside of the top-25, or on the fringe.

A bowl win will have them finishing 9-4 and ranked.
 
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Well Sir, just watch the game. I've seen too many of these go down to the wire. Vegas has UT -7. UK at home will be tough. I'll be happy with a 1 pt win; and you KNOW we cant kick a FG.

I don't think much of that Vegas line,I think they're trying to drum up betting action.
 
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Yeah, I think we'll win out, short of the bowl game (and hopefully there too, but can't speculate without knowing the opponent).

I know we can take Kentucky, having watched them play this past weekend; it should not even be close. USCe is a train wreck, and Mizzou is just about as bad--though Pinkel could have them up for us, that's my greatest concern in spite of their miserable showing versus Vandy. And I've seen Vandy live; they truly suck. All this talk about their defense being good is fair; but their offense is atrocious. Dobbs & Co can score at least a few TDs against them, and that will be more than enough.

No, we get through Mizzou, and we're 8-4 to end the regular season. Question is, how well do we show up for our bowl game, and vs who?

If we end up with an ACC foe, I'd like it to be Pittsburgh. Lot of great story lines there: Johnny Majors, naturally, but also Nate Peterman. And would give us a chance to even the score against them (we're 0-2 all time vs. Pitt, need to chip away at that).

If we get a B10 opponent, I'd love it to be Penn State or Nebraska. We have lifetime deficits against both those teams, again would be nice to chip away at them. Of course, at its current rate, Nebraska may not even make the post-season. Talk about a team that has fallen on hard times and can't find its way out ... if there's one storied program in the country who has had it rougher than us lately, it's the Cornhuskers.

Finally, if we get a B12 opponent, I'd like to go against Baylor, KSU, or Texas ...we aren't ahead on the lifetime win/loss record with any of them, and could get to .500 by beating any of them. And would like to play Bill Snyder's team before he retires, he's an icon of the game these days at the level of Beamer and Stoops. Baylor would be a challenge, of course, though maybe less of one with their star QB out for the year.

Pity we have no bowl tie-ins with the PAC, wouldn't mind another shot at Oregon now that we're stronger (and they're post-Mariotta), or USC. Win/loss deficits with both of them to work on as well.

But first, let's win out the regular season. Plenty of time to speculate on bowls around Thanksgiving time.

Go Vols!
 
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you would imagine so if we win out, but lets just beat Kentucky this week first.....
 
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After the season, 8-4 (5-3 2nd in the SEC East) and ranked 20-25. After bowl win, 15.
 
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personally, i think a very fun bowl game to watch IF we win out would be an outback bowl between the Vols(8-4) and Michigan(9-3) assuming they lose to OSU
 
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