Will Moderates Ever Step Up?

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With the likes of Iran and Syria funding Hamas peace talks only give time for these types of terrorist funding countries to strengthen and recruit their homicide bombers. Hamas must be destroyed and countries that fund them need to be exposed and dealt with. I'm really sick and tired of the US bearing most of the burden on these fronts. It is just way too convenient for other so called super powers to sit back and watch as the US tries to hold the world together and then take it in the arse on global trading. What has Japan/Germany/France/ done lately to do anything, except reap the rewards. I did not mention Russia bec Putin is a closet terrorist funder himself with his behind closed doors trading with Iran.
 
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Sounds like Father Jonathan Morris knows what he's talking about. It's common sense that you can't negotiate with a radical/extremist. As noted, that type of thing is simply used by the radicals to buy time to inflict more terror. That's why the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists and doesn't talk to the crazies. Looks like all of that might change if BHO wins the election. He is all for talking to the crazies. Idiot.
 
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One of the students, Yitzhak Dadon, reportedly shot the gunman twice before he was finally killed by an off-duty Israeli army officer, who had gone to the school after hearing gunfire.
"I shot him twice in the head," he told the Reuters news agency. "He started to sway and then someone else with a rifle fired at him, and he died."
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Eight killed at Jerusalem school
Any more arguments out there for gun control? You gotta love it when seminary students are packing heat and put an end to a situation that could have been a heck of a lot more tragic.
 
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there are no moderates in the Islamic world. you have the extremists who will get angry at the drop of a hat and you have the non-extremists who are scared of the extremists.

There is no Muslim Ghandi.
 
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Any more arguments out there for gun control? You gotta love it when seminary students are packing heat and put an end to a situation that could have been a heck of a lot more tragic.

The gunman was Palestinian and nowhere in the article did it reference the seminary students having guns.
 
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The gunman was Palestinian and nowhere in the article did it reference the seminary students having guns.
One of the students, Yitzhak Dadon, reportedly shot the gunman twice before he was finally killed by an off-duty Israeli army officer, who had gone to the school after hearing gunfire.

Hmm...
 
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The gunman was Palestinian and nowhere in the article did it reference the seminary students having guns.

The "sniper" was a student of the school. Everyone in that country is part of the military at one time or another.
 
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The "sniper" was a student of the school. Everyone in that country is part of the military at one time or another.
Something this country should look at doing. It would give all people a greater respect for what our soldiers do.
 
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Here's a link,

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Eyewitness: School 'like slaughterhouse'

One of the students, Yitzhak Dadon, said the attacker was wearing torn jeans and fired at the students with a Kalashnikov assault rifle. Mr Dadon said he shot the attacker twice in the head, wounding him.

"I laid on the roof of the study hall, cocked my gun and waited for him. He came out of the library spraying automatic fire," he said.

"I shot him twice in the head. He started to sway and then someone else with a rifle fired at him, and he died."
 
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I couldn't agree more. I wonder how Mr. George Soros would like that, that schmuck..

If you have served this country then you have more than earned a right to speak out against it. We do have freedom of speech and that is a good thing but if everyone served then I'm sure some of these idiots out there would exercise those rights more responsibly.
 
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Any more arguments out there for gun control? You gotta love it when seminary students are packing heat and put an end to a situation that could have been a heck of a lot more tragic.

The "sniper" was a student of the school. Everyone in that country is part of the military at one time or another.

I'm going to rehash some of the same statements that came on the board after the Virginia Tech shootings, about how an armed populace is a safe one.

I'm willing to guess that had this happened in the states, he would have been killing people til he ran out of ammuntion, as the American people have become all too willing to flee to the protection of an often inept police force. It seems that the "Fight" in "Fight vs. Flight" is being educated out of our country.
 
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'Gun-Free Zones' - WSJ.com

OPINION

'Gun-Free Zones'

[FONT=times new roman,times,serif][FONT=times new roman,times,serif]By DAVID B. KOPEL
April 18, 2007
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The bucolic campus of Virginia Tech, in Blacksburg, Va., would seem to have little in common with the Trolley Square shopping mall in Salt Lake City. Yet both share an important characteristic, common to the site of almost every other notorious mass murder in recent years: They are "gun-free zones."
Forty American states now have "shall issue" or similar laws, by which officials issue a pistol carry permit upon request to any adult who passes a background check and (in most states) a safety class. Research by Carlisle Moody of the College of William and Mary, and others, suggests that these laws provide law-abiding citizens some protection against violent crime. But in many states there are certain places, especially schools, set aside as off-limits for guns. In Virginia, universities aren't "gun-free zones" by statute, but college officials are allowed to impose anti-gun rules. The result is that mass murderers know where they can commit their crimes.
Private property owners also have the right to prohibit lawful gun possession. And some shopping malls have adopted anti-gun rules. Trolley Square was one, as announced by an unequivocal sign, "No weapons allowed on Trolley Square property."
In February of this year a young man walked past the sign prohibiting him from carrying a gun on the premises and began shooting people who moments earlier were leisurely shopping at Trolley Square. He killed five.
Fortunately, someone else -- off-duty Ogden, Utah, police officer Kenneth Hammond -- also did not comply with the mall's rules. After hearing "popping" sounds, Mr. Hammond investigated and immediately opened fire on the gunman. With his aggressive response, Mr. Hammond prevented other innocent bystanders from getting hurt. He bought time for the local police to respond, while stopping the gunman from hunting down other victims.
At Virginia Tech's sprawling campus in southwestern Va., the local police arrived at the engineering building a few minutes after the start of the murder spree, and after a few critical minutes, broke through the doors that Cho Seung-Hui had apparently chained shut. From what we know now, Cho committed suicide when he realized he'd soon be confronted by the police. But by then, 30 people had been murdered.
But let's take a step back in time. Last year the Virginia legislature defeated a bill that would have ended the "gun-free zones" in Virginia's public universities. At the time, a Virginia Tech associate vice president praised the General Assembly's action "because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." In an August 2006 editorial for the Roanoke Times, he declared: "Guns don't belong in classrooms. They never will. Virginia Tech has a very sound policy preventing same."
Actually, Virginia Tech's policy only made the killer safer, for it was only the law-abiding victims, and not the criminal, who were prevented from having guns. Virginia Tech's policy bans all guns on campus (except for police and the university's own security guards); even faculty members are prohibited from keeping guns in their cars.
Virginia Tech thus went out of its way to prevent what happened at a Pearl, Miss., high school in 1997, where assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieved a handgun from his car and apprehended a school shooter. Or what happened at Appalachian Law School, in Grundy, Va., in 2002, when a mass murder was stopped by two students with law-enforcement experience, one of whom retrieved his own gun from his vehicle. Or in Edinboro, Pa., a few days after the Pearl event, when a school attack ended after a nearby merchant used a shotgun to force the attacker to desist. Law-abiding citizens routinely defend themselves with firearms. Annually, Americans drive-off home invaders a half-million times, according to a 1997 study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
In Utah, there is no "gun-free schools" exception to the licensed carry law. In K-12 schools and in universities, teachers and other adults can and do legally carry concealed guns. In Utah, there has never been a Columbine-style attack on a school. Nor has there been any of the incidents predicted by self-defense opponents -- such as a teacher drawing a gun on a disrespectful student, or a student stealing a teacher's gun.
Israel uses armed teachers as part of a successful program to deter terrorist attacks on schools. Buddhist teachers in southern Thailand are following the Israeli example, because of Islamist terrorism.
After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the U.S., long-time gun control advocates, including Sen. Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.), agreed that making airplane cockpits into "gun-free zones" had made airplanes much more dangerous for everyone except hijackers. Corrective legislation, supported by large bipartisan majorities in both houses of Congress, allowed pilots to carry firearms, while imposing rigorous gun-safety training on pilots who want to carry.
In many states, "gun-free schools" legislation was enacted hastily in the late 1980s or early 1990s due to concerns about juvenile crime. Aimed at juvenile gangsters, the poorly written and overbroad statutes had the disastrous consequence of rendering teachers unable to protect their students.
Reasonable advocates of gun control can still press for a wide variety of items on their agenda, while helping to reform the "gun-free zones" that have become attractive havens for mass killers. If legislators or administrators want to require extensive additional training for armed faculty and other adults, that's fine. Better that some victims be armed than none at all.
The founder of the University of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson, understood the harms resulting from the type of policy created at Virginia Tech. In his "Commonplace Book," Jefferson copied a passage from Cesare Beccaria, the founder of criminology, which was as true on Monday as it always has been:
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

Mr. Kopel is research director of the Independence Institute in Golden, Colo., and co-author of the law school textbook, "Gun Control and Gun Rights" (NYU Press).
I remember this piece from last year just after the Va. Tech massacre...it seems to give a very good overview of gun-free zones and covers several incidents that have occurred. I just highlighted some areas that stood out for me. It's worth the read...
 
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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

:thumbsup: the problem is, the leftists can't see through their rose colored glasses that their laws arent working. Criminals still have guns, naturally, they have no respect for the law, so what does another Stalin bill do? Disarms the law abiding public, giving the criminal element more power.

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Lets not forget that old Adolf, with Joe Stalin, Castro, and several others, took steps to disarm the populace, as it made their overall goals much easier. Without our 2nd Amendment, we cannot defend our other Constitutional rights.
 
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