Will LSU look to TN?

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sammyhagar said:
you referenced the unc game as well. Dooleys fault?
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You have to know the history.

DD is a bad coach because he is not Kiffin and has very little in common with him. Unless he somehow morphs into a Kiffin clone, there are some around here who will not give him a chance and WILL nitpick every negative and ignore anything positive.

The same people usually excuse Kiffin's performance last year and this year.
 
#102
#102
bleedorange0037 said:
No big names were available last year, just like they wouldn't be this year. But keeping an interim coach and sacrificing a year in order to get a better coach in the next hiring cycle was certainly a viable option. We were going to suck this year no matter what, so MH didn't have to hire a coach in 72 hours. He would have easily let Kippy Brown keep the job for 2010 and then hired a big name this year.

I know UT isn't as desirable a job as some think, but it has the potential to be. If MH made it a matter of public record that UT was willing to pay top dollar in order to get this football program back on track, then we could land a big fish. The problem is that we can't expect to pay half as much money as Bama and UF and then expect to get the same results when the job is much harder. Until we have an AD that realizes that, our football team won't be getting much better.
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I don't disagree with this statement, but I don't think we would be in the position, now after all that has transpired, to afford the backlash it would cause for another coach to leave us and then be stagnent for a year and wait to hire a big name.

This argument isn't about what happened this year, more about if it would matter if Dooley did it to us currently.
 
#103
#103
VKAman said:
Because our recruiting isn't at that level and our coaching isn't either...we just have a good freshman class
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It's so easy to sit back and say that everything sucks so that when the team struggles a bit you can stay above the fray. This staff has been together for one year, the team is sitting on potentially the best QB in the SEC, with a pair of great receivers and the makings of an exceptional offensive line. Dooley seems capable of being a great leader of the program, with countless coaches vouching for him on that end. I understand 6-7 is tough to swallow, but at some point you have to have some faith. I'm not sure if you never got over the Fulmer era, or pretend that TN is on Florida, Texas', or USC's level as a program, but the one thing you won't be able to do if this team does break through in the next few years and win the SEC is enjoy it as much as those of us who have supported Dooley and this team through all the hard times.

Saban was also 6-6 in his first year, and at times that team looked awful. I guess he sucks, too. Brian Kelly struggled with Notre Dame this year-yep, he sure blows. Pete Carrol-you guessed it: 6-6 his first year. What a lame college coach he turned out to be. Do I need to keep going, or are you so pathetically negative that nothing will get through?..and National titles can be built on a class full of impact players. An example of this is playing Monday night.
 
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winchestervol63 said:
Rich Rod was when UM hired him. How'd that big name hire work out?

Look, we all get it. Some people choose to employ only one means of evaluating a coach, and that is whether or not he's already won a NC, is in very high demand, and is mentioned on Sportscenter a lot. 'Is he a big name coach?' is the only basic question in evaluating a coaching hire for some.

Other people realize that those guys were not big names themselves at a point in time and understand that many of the 'big name' coaches of the near future are not big name coaches now. We look for characteristics and attributes that we think are good indicators of future success and base our impressions on that. Jim Harbaugh is arguably the hottest new big name coach in college football, but he was precisely squat when Stanford hired him.

So, by the 'big name' criterion, the Rich Rod hire was great and the Harbaugh hire was terrible. That line of thinking just strikes a lot of us as a foolish notion.
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Yeah, Hoke is all over SportsCenter...
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VKAman said:
You compared 3rd and 12th before...not 2nd and 5th...look at some 12th-place finishers if you want
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I compared 3rd and 12th nationally which is usually about 2 or 3rd in the SEC and 5th and 6th in the SEC. Which are the exact numbers I stated...I will quote my comment so you can re-read it.
 
#107
#107
sjt18 said:
You have to know the history.

DD is a bad coach because he is not Kiffin and has very little in common with him. Unless he somehow morphs into a Kiffin clone, there are some around here who will not give him a chance and WILL nitpick every negative and ignore anything positive.

The same people usually excuse Kiffin's performance last year and this year.
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Hoke is also just like Kiffin because sjt the brainiac has it all figured out.
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#108
#108
sjt18 said:
You have to know the history.

DD is a bad coach because he is not Kiffin and has very little in common with him. Unless he somehow morphs into a Kiffin clone, there are some around here who will not give him a chance and WILL nitpick every negative and ignore anything positive.

The same people usually excuse Kiffin's performance last year and this year.
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I love this too-fans that point to a bad loss as proof a coach is incompetent. Look at any coach and you will find these types of losses-inexplicable at the time, but as you watch more and more football you realize how truly random some Saturdays can be.
 
#109
#109
VKAman said:
Yeah, Hoke is all over SportsCenter...
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Actually, I've seen him on there quite a bit over the last two weeks. They gushed over him when SDSU had their bowl game and they have mentioned him several times for the UM job.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I compared 3rd and 12th nationally which is usually about 2 or 3rd in the SEC and 5th and 6th in the SEC. Which are the exact numbers I stated...I will quote my comment so you can re-read it.
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3rd nationally...20 4- and 5-stars
12th...12 of them
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#112
#112
Also the difference in the 12th class and the 1st class isn't that great, so while we may be 5 in the SEC we are probably only 2 4 star players behind whoever is 3rd.

So the gap isn't as great as you'd like to imagine it is.
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Here is my quote. It may not read that easy, but I am saying even if we are 5th in the SEC (where I think we end up this year) the gap between us and the 2nd or 3rd best team in the SEC isn't very much.
 
#114
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Ericvol2096 said:
Here is my quote. It may not read that easy, but I am saying even if we are 5th in the SEC (where I think we end up this year) the gap between us and the 2nd or 3rd best team in the SEC isn't very much.
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If you look at it that way, sure, but I mainly disagree with the first half of your first sentence.
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VKAman said:
Hoke is also just like Kiffin because sjt the brainiac has it all figured out.
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All of the sudden Bradie Hoke is the answer? What proof do you have that he is better than Dooley, besides the fact that he took a chance with a moribund program and turned it around? Oh, wait-that sounds like something Dooley was in the middle of doing before he got here...and want Gary Patterson, and guys like Chris Pederson all you want, but wanting them won't get them here, or anywhere else for that matter. Not all coaches want to jump from place to place.

And besides, I don't know exactly what you are rooting for here. MH was in an almost impossible spot last year in hiring a coach when Kiffin left, and played the hand he was dealt. In order to be in play for another coach one of 2 things has to happen: Dooley leaving for another job (which will not happen), or Dooley getting fired. If he were to leave, what makes this job desirable for Gary Patterson, or Bob Stoops, etc? And if he gets fired, well then that means the team has struggled and slipped even more. How is this situation any more desirable than the first?
 
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VKAman said:
If you look at it that way, sure, but I mainly disagree with your first sentence.
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Gotcha, the whole point of my original statement was that BO was saying that if we finish 12th then we would be somewhere around 5 or 6 in the SEC essencially putting us way behind the other teams.

So what I am saying is even if we finish 5 or 6th in the SEC we really are only a couple players behind the 2 or 3rd best classes.

I do agree that whoever finishes with the best SEC class normally blows everyone elses numbers out of the water.

anyway this is mute point right now, because currently we are 20th and my argument is based on specultion and insight that leads me to believe we will finish strong recruiting this year.

carry on.:hi:
 
#118
#118
VKAman said:
If you look at it that way, sure, but I mainly disagree with the first half of your first sentence.
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Half the reason our class is ranked where it is is due to being geared heavily on the lines. Most of these players, just by the nature of the position and the inability to accurately assign rankings are given 3 stars. The NFL is stocked with dominant lineman who were ranked as a 3 star athlete coming out of HS. It's just the way it is. Doesn't mean this class is bad. It's almost a necessity given the lack of depth on the o and d-line.
 
#119
#119
VKAman said:
I wouldn't mind him leaving...

...but I don't think LSU would go after him when they can do better. Then again, they did hire Les Miles...
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^ Thanks. Someone had to do it.

A round of applause to you sir for the most idiodic post thus far into the new year. :clapping:
 
#120
#120
SpringBokVol said:
And to those of you who would like to see Dooley go.... why? What don't you like about him or his program?
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Some want him to go because they said he was a bad hire from the jump and refuse to change their opinion now, no matter what, even if CDD leaving would be detrimental to the program. The refuse to admit they might be wrong. Simple as that.
 
#121
#121
VKAman said:
Because our recruiting isn't at that level and our coaching isn't either...we just have a good freshman class
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You're criticizing recruiting but you would have preferred we have an interim coach this year?

Few top prospects would come play for a program when they know every single coach recruiting them will be gone. Especially when you've had as much attrition as we have, you can't afford to have more classes like '06 and '08.
 
#124
#124
bucksavage said:
^ Thanks. Someone had to do it.

A round of applause to you sir for the most idiodic post thus far into the new year. :clapping:
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You should read the rest of them in this thread. You will have several more to add to your list.
 
#125
#125
Volfan8282 said:
I am quite confident that Saban would have.
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That's so stupid, saban isn't god, no one could have done much beTter than cdd did, why did saban go 6-6 his first year.. Hmm because he hadn had a chance to recruit his players, some people that have posted on here are retarded, anyone that thinks cdd leaving would be good should do us all a favor and jump off a bridge!
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