Will Jalen Hurd make an All SEC Team?

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P.O.T.S. VOL said:
i'm greatful Hurd is a VOL.........but i'm not sure he is "so much better" then Henry! It's too hard to compare b/c the o-lines on each team are so far apart. Our's being better this year but still not very good. JMO
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I personally think Henry will be a bust in the pros (at least in relation to his draft position). This really isn't about me pumping up Jalen. Its moreso about the fact I don't think much of Henry.

He's a big guy with great top end speed and some good power if you don't tackle him low around his skinny legs. But he's too much like Brandon Jacobs for my taste. If you remember he was that 6'4" 250lbs back from Northern Illinois a decade ago that was getting tons of hype because he was 250 and could run a 4.4/4.5 40. He eventually was drafted in the 2nd round by the Giants and never lived up to the hype.

His problem like Henry is they both run high and didn't have great acceleration through the hole. Unlike college, NFL holes close quickly. And the #1 skill an nfl rb must show outside of vision to see the holes, is acceleration through the hole.

Henry doesn't have great acceleration. That gets masked by the huge alleys the Bama o-line opens up. That won't happen in the NFL. Trent Richardson ran into the same problem in the pros. His vision as a rb was terrible. That didn't matter at Bama cause their o-line would open up 2-3 holes every play. In the pros, only one hole gets open and if you lack vision you'll see your career go the way of Trent Richardson.
 
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If Hurd played for Bama, he'd be the Heisman candidate right now. I'd say he and Henry are on the same level.

Just look at how all the bama backs have fared in the NFL. They are all overhyped. They run behind a massive and skilled O-line. So, the end up looking like stars. But, in reality they are just solid backs running behind great lines that make them look great.
 
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dobbs 4 heisman said:
i personally think henry will be a bust in the pros (at least in relation to his draft position). This really isn't about me pumping up jalen. Its moreso about the fact i don't think much of henry.

He's a big guy with great top end speed and some good power if you don't tackle him low around his skinny legs. But he's too much like brandon jacobs for my taste. If you remember he was that 6'4" 250lbs back from northern illinois a decade ago that was getting tons of hype because he was 250 and could run a 4.4/4.5 40. He eventually was drafted in the 4th round by the giants and never lived up to the hype.

His problem like henry is they both run high and didn't have great acceleration through the hole. Unlike college, nfl holes close quickly. And the #1 skill an nfl rb must show outside of vision to see the holes, is acceleration through the hole.

Henry doesn't have great acceleration. That gets masked by the huge alleys the bama o-line opens up. That won't happen in the nfl. Trent richardson ran into the same problem in the pros. His vision as a rb was terrible. That didn't matter at bama cause their o-line would open up 2-3 holes every play. In the pros, only one hole gets open and if you lack vision you'll see your career go the way of trent richardson.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I personally think Henry will be a bust in the pros (at least in relation to his draft position). This really isn't about me pumping up Jalen. Its moreso about the fact I don't think much of Henry.

He's a big guy with great top end speed and some good power if you don't tackle him low around his skinny legs. But he's too much like Brandon Jacobs for my taste. If you remember he was that 6'4" 250lbs back from Northern Illinois a decade ago that was getting tons of hype because he was 250 and could run a 4.4/4.5 40. He eventually was drafted in the 2nd round by the Giants and never lived up to the hype.

His problem like Henry is they both run high and didn't have great acceleration through the hole. Unlike college, NFL holes close quickly. And the #1 skill an nfl rb must show outside of vision to see the holes, is acceleration through the hole.

Henry doesn't have great acceleration. That gets masked by the huge alleys the Bama o-line opens up. That won't happen in the NFL. Trent Richardson ran into the same problem in the pros. His vision as a rb was terrible. That didn't matter at Bama cause their o-line would open up 2-3 holes every play. In the pros, only one hole gets open and if you lack vision you'll see your career go the way of Trent Richardson.
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You're a passionate Vol fan, but dude sometimes the orange color shades you wear is insane. Henry > Hurd. Not even close right now. And Hurd is my favorite player on the team. Hurd is good. Henry is great.
 
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Hurd has alot of yards this year with hardly alot of carries against 2nd tear teams like the others you speak of so yea he should. And his oline has sucked most of the year
 
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Aesius said:
We are 3rd in rushing in the SEC with a terrible OL.

Gtfo
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Could be #1 with a competent game plan for Hurd and Kamara. Your numbers are cloudy. Dobbs is a big reason for their rushing numbers and this thread is about Hurd being all SEC.....not Dobbs' running....

So you gtfo!
 
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I guess everyone is forgetting the O-Line Hurd is having to run behind. If Hurd was running behind Bama's O-Line, he'd be putting up better numbers. If Henry was running behind Tennessee's O-Line, his numbers wouldn't be as good. It works both ways.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I personally think Henry will be a bust in the pros (at least in relation to his draft position). This really isn't about me pumping up Jalen. Its moreso about the fact I don't think much of Henry.

He's a big guy with great top end speed and some good power if you don't tackle him low around his skinny legs. But he's too much like Brandon Jacobs for my taste. If you remember he was that 6'4" 250lbs back from Northern Illinois a decade ago that was getting tons of hype because he was 250 and could run a 4.4/4.5 40. He eventually was drafted in the 2nd round by the Giants and never lived up to the hype.

His problem like Henry is they both run high and didn't have great acceleration through the hole. Unlike college, NFL holes close quickly. And the #1 skill an nfl rb must show outside of vision to see the holes, is acceleration through the hole.

Henry doesn't have great acceleration. That gets masked by the huge alleys the Bama o-line opens up. That won't happen in the NFL. Trent Richardson ran into the same problem in the pros. His vision as a rb was terrible. That didn't matter at Bama cause their o-line would open up 2-3 holes every play. In the pros, only one hole gets open and if you lack vision you'll see your career go the way of Trent Richardson.
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Jacobs pre-draft was 267 lbs. and ran a 4.56. He was drafted in the 4th round not 2nd. From 2007-10 Jacobs averaged close to 1000 yards per season. Finished his NFL career with over 5,000 yards, 60 TD's and two Super Bowl rings. That's pretty dang good for a 4th round pick.
 
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Hurd and Henry are to tall be RB's in the NFL just ask Eric Dickerson.:) Hurd and Henry are both 6-4 240, but Henry looks a lot bigger than Hurd.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. Hurd is so much better than Henry right now it's not even funny. Don't get filled by the huge alleys Henry gets to run through.
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Good God man. I understand that you love the Vols, we all do. But come on man. I love Hurd and he is a great back, special as a matter of fact. But, Henry is also very special. To say he is so much better than Hurd, is just factually incorrect. I think Hurd is the 3rd or 4th best RB in the SEC and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I guess everyone is forgetting the O-Line Hurd is having to run behind. If Hurd was running behind Bama's O-Line, he'd be putting up better numbers. If Henry was running behind Tennessee's O-Line, his numbers wouldn't be as good. It works both ways.
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I agree with you but the facts are Hurd doesnt run behind Bamas OL. So its really useless to speculate.
 
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I just don't get the Bama backs are NFL busts talk. Just because Trent Richardson hasn't panned out?

Mark Ingram is a fine back. 900 yards last year with a pass happy coach. He's on pace for 1,000 this year.

Eddie Lacy has had back to back 1,100 yard seasons. He also added 400 rec yards and had 13 total TDs.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Jacobs pre-draft was 267 lbs. and ran a 4.56. He was drafted in the 4th round not 2nd. From 2007-10 Jacobs averaged close to 1000 yards per season. Finished his NFL career with over 5,000 yards, 60 TD's and two Super Bowl rings. That's pretty dang good for a 4th round pick.
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Thank you GL...for a second there I thought there was this bizarro-world Brandon Jacobs that I didn't know about. Dobbs4heisman swings and misses.
 
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madbamahater said:
Could be #1 with a competent game plan for Hurd and Kamara. Your numbers are cloudy. Dobbs is a big reason for their rushing numbers and this thread is about Hurd being all SEC.....not Dobbs' running....

So you gtfo!
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Ah another VN expert coach. So why arent you holding a clipboard on Saturdays?
 
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KBVol said:
Hahahahaha!!!! Dude just stop it. Hurd is a fine back , but to say he's "so much better than Henry"....dear God alive, give it a rest. Henry's a bigger, stronger, faster athlete than Jalen....just is what it is.
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I don't think there is a nickel's worth of difference between their size, strength, or speed..."just is what it is."

CBJ has confirmed that Hurd weighs 242 lbs which is nearly identical to what is reported about Henry. Most sources list Henry running 4.5 40, while Hurd's time varies between 4.37 to 4.5.

I've seen where Henry can squat 500 lbs, but I haven't seen Hurd's numbers listed anywhere. It looks like Hurd has much bigger legs so I would guess similar or better numbers for Hurd.

Go on a 'Bama site and they constantly complain that if you just touch Henry below the waist, he will fall down (above the waist is an entirely different story!).

Put Hurd behind 'Bama's line and see if you don't get similar or better numbers.
 
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volunteerfan56 said:
Uhhh hurd isn't close to Henry or fournette
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I reckon Hurd is pretty close to Henry. Henry, Fournette and Collins all have great lines to run behind. We do not.

Hurd has not been given any freebies this year and has had to work for every one of his yards. He is a star trapped behind an Oline that lacks experience, depth and multiple injuries.
 
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UTK said:
You're a passionate Vol fan, but dude sometimes the orange color shades you wear is insane. Henry > Hurd. Not even close right now. And Hurd is my favorite player on the team. Hurd is good. Henry is great.
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I bet you thought Trent Richardson was great as well.....right?
 
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Boston Vol said:
With Chubb missing a big chunk of the season, Hurd will most likely end up on the second team of both the AP and Coaches All Sec teams.
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He will definitely at best be 3rd behind Fournette and Henry and probably behind Collins too so I don't know how many 1st team RB's they choose and how many second team. If it's 2 per then he will be at best second team but if it's one per then most likely 4th and would be 5th if Chubb wasn't hurt. But the SEC is loaded with great RB's so no shame in 4th or 5th. He is also the only one of those 5 that plays in a spread offense and not a more traditional one like the other 4.
 
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Biggest thing I see with Hurd is he runs east and west to much. He does not have the speed to turn the corner and out run people. I don't care what they claim his 40 is. Jesus Christ Karama must be the fastest player to ever wear the Orange because he can turn the corner. Is he a 3.0 guy ? Point is Hurd needs to run it Up field not to the sidelines, especially to the short side. That's what will be expected of him at the next level.
 
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mpfvol said:
Hurd has alot of yards this year with hardly alot of carries against 2nd tear teams like the others you speak of so yea he should. And his oline has sucked most of the year
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Don't recall LSU or Ala playing 2nd tier teams week in and out. To be fair they play in a much harder division than we do.
 
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