Will Friend next OC if

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I know our OL was atrocious this season, but was that because of lack of talent, bad coaching, or a combination of both? I don't think he has done well at all coaching the OL this year. What makes anyone think he would do well running the entire offense?
 
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It will be Will Friend. Any big name OC will want to bring in their own people and make wholesale changes to the entire offensive coaches group. That isn't going to happen and probably shouldn't.
 
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I'm kinda torn on this. I'd love to get a sexy hire (Freeze, Kitchens, Kingsbury, etc.), but this is technically going to be JG's 4th year in the program and possibly the 4th different system. We don't lose any senior offensive personnel (barring early entry for NFL, or people leaving), so they've been in the same situation. Do we play it safe (Hiring in house) to keep the continuity or same language, or do we run the risk of falling behind even more by learning a 4th system in as many years? Thoughts?
 
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SDV said:
I know our OL was atrocious this season, but was that because of lack of talent, bad coaching, or a combination of both? I don't think he has done well at all coaching the OL this year. What makes anyone think he would do well running the entire offense?
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When have we had a good o line in the last 4yrs. Dobbs was the only reason we ran the ball under butch. We havent been able to score on BAMA in a while or stop them. Why is that because our OL and DL suck. How many coaches have we had in that time frame. None of them looked good and yet they go to other programs and look better. Why? We havent recruited good players on the OL/DL.
 
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Give Him 6 said:
You may want to go check his Colorido State offensive coordinator stats. I have to admit I was suprised myself at the numbers. I won't be suprised if this is the direction Coach Pruitt goes.
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I'll believe that Will Friend can run an entire offense, right after I see him get five offensive linemen to all block someone on the same play.
 
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m1al said:
This OL has had how many coaches in the past few years? They have sucked under all of them. Ask yourself what is the common denominator here.
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One doesn't see many mules winning horse races either. It takes good talent and experience to play any position in the SEC and win.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'll believe that Will Friend can run an entire offense, right after I see him get five offensive linemen to all block someone on the same play.
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Guess what we dont have an o-lineman that would play on a good team. They are terrible or having to play to soon because they dont have choice. You give BAMA our starting five and there offense would suck. Tua wouldn't be a Heisman candidate and would be hurt. Give me a beak. Its not all coaching.
 
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wrangler said:
An OC can has to work within the framework given by the head coach. I'm wondering what influence Pruitt has had on the offense Helton has been allowed to run. The same question arises if there's a new OC.
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Exactly. He’s going to be forced to run the kind of offense Pruitt wants. I think that’s what happened to Helton. No OC would try to run a power pro style offense with our OL unless they were told they had to.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
It only makes sense if you're the type of manager/employer that promotes underperforming employees hoping they will do better with more important **** to do...

smdh..what color is the sky in the nocleats world?
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
It only makes sense if you're the type of manager/employer that promotes underperforming employees hoping they will do better with more important **** to do...

smdh..what color is the sky in the nocleats world?
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Did he actually underperform? I think our offensive line was just as bad as I expected
 
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Vol8188 said:
Did he actually underperform? I think our offensive line was just as bad as I expected
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Exactly! This same group didnt score an offensive touchdown for 10 quarters and now people think you are all the suddened gonna score on everybody because of a coaching change. Get real people.
 
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Volfan76 said:
If Friend was calling the plays at Vandy and he gets hired as OC, Pruitt may be out in year 2.
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Did anyone notice any difference in play calling? I didn't. Looked just like Helton's ****** selections
 
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Give Him 6 said:
Guess what we dont have an o-lineman that would play on a good team. They are terrible or having to play to soon because they dont have choice. You give BAMA our starting five and there offense would suck. Tua wouldn't be a Heisman candidate and would be hurt. Give me a beak. Its not all coaching.
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Since when is "being recruited by Alabama" a requirement for a life-long football player to be able to pick up his block while playing for a Division I football team? If by the 12th game of the season, against Vanderbilt, Will Friend couldn't at least teach enough technique to get the line to block someone on every play, then he has no business being an offensive line coach, much less an offensive coordinator.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Since when is "being recruited by Alabama" a requirement for a life-long football player to be able to pick up his block while playing for a Division I football team? If by the 12th game of the season, against Vanderbilt, Will Friend couldn't at least teach enough technique to get the line to block someone on every play, then he has no business being an offensive line coach, much less an offensive coordinator.
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How much would bama's offense change with will friend as there o line coach. None!
 
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Give Him 6 said:
How much would bama's offense change with will friend as there o line coach. None!
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So because Will Friend couldn't teach Alabama's oline anything, we should be ok with the fact that he hasn't seemed to impart any knowledge to our oline, which judging from last year's performance, greatly needed coaching?

I fail to see how that supports your argument.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So because Will Friend couldn't teach Alabama's oline anything, we should be ok with the fact that he hasn't seemed to impart any knowledge to our oline, which judging from last year's performance, greatly needed coaching?

I fail to see how that supports your argument.
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What im saying is if he was there o line coach they still would hang 40 on anybody and he would called a great o line coach. But they have good players. We dont.
 
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Give Him 6 said:
What im saying is if he was there o line coach they still would hang 40 on anybody and he would called a great o line coach. But they have good players. We dont.
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So Alabama's offensive line, is already well coached, and his little to no growth ceiling, so Will Friend would have little impact on them, I get it. That's not the case with our offensive line, and we saw zero improvement over last year, and zero improvement on the season as a whole. I wouldn't call a net gain of zero from the last oline coach, a success for Will Friend.
 
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If it is Friend then Pruitt will probably need a friend or two after next season. It is time to win some game the heck with promoting your friends and acquaintances time to get someone with experience and past success.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So Alabama's offensive line, is already well coached, and his little to no growth ceiling, so Will Friend would have little impact on them, I get it. That's not the case with our offensive line, and we saw zero improvement over last year, and zero improvement on the season as a whole. I wouldn't call a net gain of zero from the last oline coach, a success for Will Friend.
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Im sorry you fail to recognize to difference in talent. I dont think there is a single o line coach in the country that will be succesful with our current o line. Sorry thats just how I feel.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Why is that?
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Easy way out, hire on the cheap, no SEC experience. When was the last internal promotion to coordinator truly successful for the VOLS?

IMO a very underwhelming hire and would be hard to really show recruits we are serious about being contenders without making a splash hire.

Saying that, I expect it will be Friend (likelihood grows with each passing day) and it will not end well.

All just my opinion. Been wrong before in life, will be wrong again in the future I am sure.
 
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Give Him 6 said:
Im sorry you fail to recognize to difference in talent. I dont think there is a single o line coach in the country that will be succesful with our current o line. Sorry thats just how I feel.
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So you believe it's purely a lack of talent that has olinemen standing around not blocking anyone, and not pursuing their blocks?
 
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Were really gonna hire a guy that had the most miserable OL in the SEC that will be a travesty. Of course it has been done at Tennessee before and often.
 
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KBVol said:
Yeah, no thanks. That was at CSU. Here, at UT, in the SEC, he just authored the worst OL performance in program history. He needs to be replaced, not promoted.
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Well I'm undecided on this. If this is truly Pruitt's team, and he's a Saban style, then that's probably what we will get. A Friend OC.

Helton was like our trailer park Kiffin. Helton is to Pruitt like Kiffin was to Saban. A short experiment with an OC whose offensive mindset ran slightly off parallel with the philosophy of the head coach.
If the head coach in that situation is controlling or a micromanager it usually leads to problems. Sideline arguments and the like.

If this is Pruitt's team, and I believe it is, For better or for worse, we will get an OC who he is familiar with and one he can control and be comfortable with.

Who better than the old college roommate?

I imagine it's between Friend and maybe, maybe Fat Freddie.

And who knows? Any pipe dream hires may end up being anathema to the culture Pruitt wants and could lead to more dysfunction.

At least this will minimize excuses later down the road, Pruitt is going to take his sword to the enemy and take heads, or fall on it in disgrace.

He's too stubborn to do anything else imo.

We are along for the ride. The hire will be more Cut or Randy, and less Clawson.
 
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