Will Dooley be compared to Chizik as far as results in the future?

#28
#28
no... chizik inheirited far more talent and depth. dooley took over a dumpster fire... he has start from the bottom up where chizik just had to plug in one player
 
#30
#30
first off we have to go n buy a 180,000 dollar quarterback... than maybe

HA HA. glad to see someone else realizes this. Chizik and auburn cheated to get their title. I for one would rather have Dooley do it the right way even if it means it takes a little longer.
 
#31
#31
HA HA. glad to see someone else realizes this. Chizik and auburn cheated to get their title. I for one would rather have Dooley do it the right way even if it means it takes a little longer.

huh? there is no evidence whatsoever that auburn paid for cam or that they knew that his dad tried to get $ from another school. IF there was a violation, auburn had nothing to do with it.
 
#32
#32
No, two different situations......Chizik walked into a full roster

Quite the contrary. Kiffin had more of a full roster than Chizik did. Chizik only had 75 players even on roster before the 2009 season, and only about 50 players from Tuberville's recruits still left.

As the story below details,
Auburn's new head coach deals with shortage of players - al.com

A comparison of 2010 Rosters:
2006-2008 Recruits
Auburn: 33
Tennessee: 32

The key difference was Chizik's recruiting & hiring Malzahn -- their 2009 class produced 6 high-impact sophomores & their 2010 class was a top-5 recruiting class that brought in Newton, Dyer, et al. Our 2009 class has produced fewer impact players than their 2009 class and our 2010 class was not a top-5 caliber class.
 
#34
#34
IF there was a violation, auburn had nothing to do with it.

Need to change your name to ksushalovestheeagle. Not sure why you are trying to defend Auburn so hard. Right now no one knows for sure whether they did or not. There is though, a degree of suspicion due to Cam's father's history. If Cam didn't know, then the Auburn may have. Time will tell and this isn't one where we are going to find out the truth anytime soon.
 
#35
#35
There was a violation.

Cecil admitted to trying to get money from MSU.

even if that amounts to a violation under the NCAA rules, that doesn't amount to auburn cheating. cheating implies knowledge and a deliberate act. if they were playing a player they did not know was ineligible, it is not cheating.
 
#36
#36
Need to change your name to ksushalovestheeagle. Not sure why you are trying to defend Auburn so hard. Right now no one knows for sure whether they did or not. There is though, a degree of suspicion due to Cam's father's history. If Cam didn't know, then the Auburn may have. Time will tell and this isn't one where we are going to find out the truth anytime soon.

i just don't see any reason to jump to conclusions before all the facts come to light. of course, IF auburn knew about it, or if they offered him a pay for play arrangement, they cheated. but there's no evidence to suggest either right now. i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now. and i don't think it compromises my allegiance to the big orange to admit that i'm proud of those auburn kids and what they've accomplished this year.
 
#37
#37
i just don't see any reason to jump to conclusions before all the facts come to light. of course, IF auburn knew about it, or if they offered him a pay for play arrangement, they cheated. but there's no evidence to suggest either right now. i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now. and i don't think it compromises my allegiance to the big orange to admit that i'm proud of those auburn kids and what they've accomplished this year.

But you are jumping to a conclusion. You are saying Auburn did not pay. And you're basically guaranteeing the fact there was no payment in your posts. Do I know if they did or not, no. Based on Cecil Newton's past do I believe they may have, hell yes.
 
#38
#38
huh? there is no evidence whatsoever that auburn paid for cam or that they knew that his dad tried to get $ from another school. IF there was a violation, auburn had nothing to do with it.

no evidence whatsoever? you mean like him telling a MSU coach that auburn paid more? you did go to law school right? btw how's your perfect boyfriend doing? :lolabove:
 
#39
#39
But you are jumping to a conclusion. You are saying Auburn did not pay. And you're basically guaranteeing the fact there was no payment in your posts. Do I know if they did or not, no. Based on Cecil Newton's past do I believe they may have, hell yes.

i'm not gauranteeing anything. i'm simply saying that there's no evidence to say that aburn paid him or knew about the other play for pay arrangement. based on that, i think it's premature to make claims that auburn "cheated" or that they "bought a $180,000 QB." sorry if i was somewhat ambiguous about that in my previous posts.
 
#40
#40
no evidence whatsoever? you mean like him telling a MSU coach that auburn paid more? you did go to law school right? btw how's your perfect boyfriend doing? :lolabove:

all i've heard from reputable, reliable sources is that his father asked for money from MSU and they said no. do you have a link to a reputable source (not sports forum chatter) that says that auburn offered a play for pay arrangement?
 
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#41
#41
all i've heard from reputable, reliable sources is that his father asked for money from MSU and they said no. do you have a link to a reputable source (not sports forum chatter) that says that auburn offered a play for pay arrangement?

you mean reputable like espn?

ESPN NCAAF Rogers: Cecil Newton put price on son

Prior to Newton's commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person who would provide more specifics, the source said.

After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret that he wouldn't be going to Mississippi State, stating that his father, Cecil, had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much."
 
#42
#42
you mean reputable like espn?

ESPN NCAAF Rogers: Cecil Newton put price on son

Prior to Newton's commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person who would provide more specifics, the source said.

After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret that he wouldn't be going to Mississippi State, stating that his father, Cecil, had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much."

I've not seen this and, to be fair, ESPN is not THE source, but is rather quoting a source. I guess it all depends on how reliable this original source is. In any event, it appears that the current NCAA investigation is focused on Newton rather than Auburn (i.e., the NCAA hasn't charged Auburn with a play for pay arrangment and has concluded that they had no knowledge of the MSU arrangement). It could be that they are investigating Auburn for offering money to Cam but haven't made a formal announcement, or it could be that this source is about as reliable as those typically employed by US Weekly Magazine.

Based on what you've posted, I retract my previous statement about there being "no evidence whatsoever" but I do stick to my position of giving the Auburn program the benefit of the doubt until the investigation is complete and there are facts established by that investigation that warrant otherwise. So far, the NCAA has established that Auburn had no knowledge of the play for pay scheme with MSU:

"Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement. From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation under NCAA bylaw 14.11.1. Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible.”
 
#43
#43
great. so now espn is using US weekly level sources. next time don't talk out of your ass as is your norm.
 
#45
#45
I don't think so. Any AU fan or anyone watching the sideline last night can clearly see that Gus Malzhan is in charge of 80% of that team. When Gus leaves for a head coaching position, Chizik will be average again, unless he makes a huge hire at OC again. He knew this coming into Auburn. Give him credit though, it was his decision to go after Gus when no one else did.

To be fair, Malzhan isn't in charge of the defense.

They were suspect beginning of the season. They've played lights out since the end of the 2nd half of Alabama, and Fairley was as important to their success as Cam Newton in both the Alabama game and in the Title game.

That said, I agree with your main point. Cam Newton and Gus Malzahn happening your second year is catching lightning in a bottle. Or purchasing it, as the case may be.
 
#47
#47
Quite the contrary. Kiffin had more of a full roster than Chizik did. Chizik only had 75 players even on roster before the 2009 season, and only about 50 players from Tuberville's recruits still left.

As the story below details,
Auburn's new head coach deals with shortage of players - al.com

A comparison of 2010 Rosters:
2006-2008 Recruits
Auburn: 33
Tennessee: 32

The key difference was Chizik's recruiting & hiring Malzahn -- their 2009 class produced 6 high-impact sophomores & their 2010 class was a top-5 recruiting class that brought in Newton, Dyer, et al. Our 2009 class has produced fewer impact players than their 2009 class and our 2010 class was not a top-5 caliber class.



This is true. Auburn had the highest Attrition rate in the SEC when Chizik was hired, and AU is still tops for the last four years.

Auburn | MrSEC.com


All of TN's problems are self inflicted by an half-azz AD who hired half-azz coaches.
 
#48
#48
Quite the contrary. Kiffin had more of a full roster than Chizik did. Chizik only had 75 players even on roster before the 2009 season, and only about 50 players from Tuberville's recruits still left.

As the story below details,
Auburn's new head coach deals with shortage of players - al.com

A comparison of 2010 Rosters:
2006-2008 Recruits
Auburn: 33
Tennessee: 32

The key difference was Chizik's recruiting & hiring Malzahn -- their 2009 class produced 6 high-impact sophomores & their 2010 class was a top-5 recruiting class that brought in Newton, Dyer, et al. Our 2009 class has produced fewer impact players than their 2009 class and our 2010 class was not a top-5 caliber class.
Look at all the seniors they started this year.
 
#50
#50
Look at all the seniors they started this year.

It was the transfers they brought in(Newton and Nick fairley) and the frshman(Michael Dyer) and a few other sophomores Chizik recruited that were the MAIN reason Auburn won the NC. Don't fool yourself, the talent Tubberville left was on par with the talent Fulmer left. Thats why AU and TN had the same record the last two years 5-7 and 7-5.
 

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