Will Butch Jones be a better coach this year?

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chattavol420 said:
Disagree. Not that Spurrier did anything great himself but... Everything went our way that day and we led almost the entire game. We went ultra conservative and tried to sit on our lead and almost ended up losing at the end. We needed a hailmary to retake the lead
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Spurrier mismanaged his timeouts and the clock

"almost" means nothing - we won - beat a ranked team for 1st time since 2009
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
If you are going to give credit to Butch for "almost" beating injury decimated Georgia, then credit should also be given to Dooley for "almost" beating two or three good teams. I am not a Dooley fan by the way.
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BS

Dooley lost LSU game due to poor coaching...13 men on the field is a coaching mistake

Fumble out of the end zone stretching for the goal line is unfortunate...not bad coaching
 
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Gotta love Butch, his effort and his attitude. 2 years to a 8 or 9 win season, 3 years to a SEC championship and 4 years to a National Championship.

He ain't no dooley.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Will a year of battle, help CBJ better prepare for games, make better adjustments, and generally be a better football coach or as with Dooley, do you get what you get and live with it? Many say that at this level, there is no learning curve. You are what you are, so to speak. Obviously talent and staff dictate how a coach handles business, but in the SEC, does Jones deserve the benefit of a learning curve?
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Absolutely not. Next vapid question?
 
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alaVOL said:
Benefit of a learning curve? What did everyone expect last year? I'm confused on this one.
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My original question was essentially asking if a year in the SEC would improve Jones as a coach. It was never meant to put the team's record on trial. It could have had any new SEC coach's name inserted. The intended debate of my question was whether or not Jones is still learning and if it is acceptable to be still learning at this point in his career. The discussion over the op, has been very interesting and educating, however.
 
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champyvol said:
make or break year. will either deserve to be rewarded with a new contract and huge raise. on the other hand if he coaches the way he did last year he will be on the hot seat. i have serious questions about his position coaches that will be answered this year one way or the other.
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I think 2015 is make or break year for Jones. This year for his coordinators.
 
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vols4evah said:
I agree with this 100%, he set this up so that this years team can start fresh and forget all those down years, this is a big step in changing the Loser Mentality that the team has had the last few years.
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Totally disagree for many reasons. 1.This team is far from done losing. 2.A coach plays to win games, not to let upperclassmen take presumed losses. 3.Jones played young guys too.
4.Getting experience for younger players is more valuable than protecting them from losing.
 
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iKrager said:
This thread is so silly. Knowing everything we know about last year i.e new QBs, new WRs, new offensive/defensivd schemes, one of the toughests schedules and having to overcome the Dooley effect, I would say he deserves the "benefit of the learning curve", especially after beating USCe and almost beating UGA. This year we have a much more talented offense/defense.
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Not saying CBJ ain't the man, but remember CDD pretty much beat a great LSU team his first year too
 
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No way he''ll coach better with better players, more speed and another year in the program for many players. Plus, he doesn't work hard enough.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Talented, but not experienced

You guys expecting miracles this year are in for a disappointment

Also, we saw the same results last year as the year before and with the same players. Some would argue that a better coach would have been able to do better. After all, that's all we heard from VN was that all we needed was a better coach. A better coach would have taken that team to a bowl game.

Regardless, VN always gets excited about the season and disregards anything that doesn't fit the sunny disposition. This year is going to be rough and I guarantee, the firing squad will be ready by the end of this season. VN doesn't have enough patience to endure the struggles we saw with Majors.
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But,but, we're a long suffering frustrated fan base ! :)
 
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orange parmejohn said:
My original question was essentially asking if a year in the SEC would improve Jones as a coach. It was never meant to put the team's record on trial. It could have had any new SEC coach's name inserted. The intended debate of my question was whether or not Jones is still learning and if it is acceptable to be still learning at this point in his career. The discussion over the op, has been very interesting and educating, however.
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Butch answered this question himself (IIRC at media days).

Something to the effect of: As a coach if you aren't improving every day, then you are getting worse - because your competition is improving.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
No way he''ll coach better with better players, more speed and another year in the program for many players. Plus, he doesn't work hard enough.
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For the record, Sparty said that Butch Jones does NOT work like heck, but he probably does clap and go back to watch the film.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
No way he''ll coach better with better players, more speed and another year in the program for many players. Plus, he doesn't work hard enough.
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Speaking to your third point, I am interested to see how the offense will compare to last year, with a full year in the system.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Speaking to your third point, I am interested to see how the offense will compare to last year, with a full year in the system.
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Faster hitting holes, faster and more confident wrs and te's, quicker reads by qb and more confident throws.

Thats what I expect to see. The speed uptick due to more talent and less thinking as well as more confidence.
 
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Butch better be getting better.
Losing to Vandy is inexcusable regardless of the circumstances.
Granted, losing Worley was likely the difference, but every team faces challenges and Vandy didn't exactly have a stellar QB situation. The difference is how CBJ deals with adversity compared to Dooley. CBJ has a vision and everyone is on board. That vision permeates every facet from academics to recruiting.

The best thing Dooley had was Wilcox and he essentially ran him out of town. Wilcox should have been named HC immediately after the UK debacle. Dools was trying to emulate Saban without the talent to support. He was grasping at straws, from spending $200k on fall camp to obsessing over trivial matters.
 
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utvols74 said:
C.I. -

I'm not sure if you're responding to my post or not b/c I can't find my original post (not politically correct?).

The OP asked will Butch be better in his 2nd year. I don't know nor does anyone else. I believe "good" coaches have better 2nd years than 1st years on average. I mentioned CBJ in comparison to Saban (could have done the same with Miles, Summlin, Meyer, etc.) only I wanted to point out a specific game in 2007 where UT was favored against Alabama but lost anyway. I wanted to draw a comparison of the coaching style/strategy in which....
1) The comparison coach (Saban) was heavily disfavored
2) Saban's team didn't compare well against UT on talent (at least at that point in his team's maturity)
3) Saban knew he had to "do something" unusual to get momentum on his side and keep the UT off-balance - hence the opening on-side kick

That level of cerebral football strategy was missing in many key areas last year. Does Saban beat UGA or Vandy with our players? I believe he does.

To quote an old saying regarding General Neyland, "He can beat you with his players - or - he can beat you with your players against his own". Greatness.
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I don't know if it was your post I was responding to or not. But to your point... Could Saban have beaten Vandy and UGA with UT's squad? Sure. But he could also have lost to them as I pointed out with the fact he lost to UL-M his first season at Bama with the team he inherited from Shula. Butch lost to UGA and Vandy last season, to be sure, but that was a heavily favored UGA that UT lost to, and I believe if not for Pig's fumble, would have upset the dawgs. And losing to Vandy last season wasn't exactly an upset. I also firmly believe if Worley had not been injured and Butch wasn't left with starting an 18 yr old true freshman QB, and if North had played, UT would have beaten Vandy. I don't think anyone can say for a fact that either Saban or the General would have won either of those games with the team UT put on the field. That's my opinion on it.
 
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Roustabout said:
Butch better be getting better.
Losing to Vandy is inexcusable regardless of the circumstances.
Granted, losing Worley was likely the difference, but every team faces challenges and Vandy didn't exactly have a stellar QB situation. The difference is how CBJ deals with adversity compared to Dooley. CBJ has a vision and everyone is on board. That vision permeates every facet from academics to recruiting.

The best thing Dooley had was Wilcox and he essentially ran him out of town. Wilcox should have been named HC immediately after the UK debacle. Dools was trying to emulate Saban without the talent to support. He was grasping at straws, from spending $200k on fall camp to obsessing over trivial matters.
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You guys are unreal. Vandy beat UGA and Florida also - they won 9 games.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
If you are going to give credit to Butch for "almost" beating injury decimated Georgia, then credit should also be given to Dooley for "almost" beating two or three good teams. I am not a Dooley fan by the way.
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UGA wasn't injury decimated that game, they lost their 2 runningbacks and a third receiver. Our game started the injury trend with them

At that time, UT didn't have Mo Couch, Curt Maggit, and Sualsberry so it's not like UT was 100% either.
 
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