Wide receiver discussion (merged)

#128
#128
BJSforVols said:
Tried that in the OK game if you recall. Ended up getting Intentional grounding due to receiver being covered up.
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That play was a screen pass. He had no options because linemen were already downfield. He couldn't throw it away or it would have been a penalty. It was anyway, but he was limited in his options because it was supposed to be a screen.
 
#131
#131
Wide receiver u against Florida: 17 yds. only receivers over 10 yds. kamara, Wolf and Dobbs. no North, no Malone, no Pearson. no Williams..Leading receiver for Tennessee
Joshua Dobbs.
 
#132
#132
remember how crompton couldn't sit in the pocket so kiffen brought the qb rollout playbook (adjustment, something we could benefit from) and it got him drafted. wait yes drafted. Im tired of the excuses!! Coaches get paid to outcoach their opponent, NOT THEMSELVES
 
#133
#133
biggestvols said:
Florida was playing 2 and 3 Freshmen OLs with a Freshman QB. I don't hear them crying about being too young. Maybe the OL coach needs to be fired too.
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I'm not crying about being too young. I'm just stating a fact, Dobbs isn't given the time by the line to throw downfield. Dobbs made several plays on his own against the Gators that should have been sacks.

As for the Gators, they didn't seem very willing to let Grier sand in the pocket and look downfield for a big play either. Short quick passes were the norm for them.
 
#134
#134
jcurti17 said:
remember how crompton couldn't sit in the pocket so kiffen brought the qb rollout playbook (adjustment, something we could benefit from) and it got him drafted. wait yes drafted. Im tired of the excuses!! Coaches get paid to outcoach their opponent, NOT THEMSELVES
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This!!
 
#135
#135
HugeVols said:
There is a reason----

He can't do it consistently.
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True. Just think back to our very first drive. Hurd gets a nice 15 yard gain for first down only to have Dobbs miss on first down simple 5-10 yard swing pass to someone wide open running towards the sideline - would have been another 10-15 yard gain. That killed the drive and immediately re-confirmed to everyone watching he is not ready to beat that defense via consistently passing the ball.
 
#136
#136
I just want to throw out that some people might state that WR's don't get enough separation, they can't catch, etc..

Well, did you not see our game plan?

Our WR's know that we are running team. That means they don't get targeted enough. And when they do, it's 50/50 they make the plays.

Good WR's don't want to be blockers every play or some type of decoy.

We are consistently under utilizing our WR's in games and in practices. When you don't use them, their talent level drops off.

It's like metabolism. When you skip a few meals you start to gain weight. And it gets harder and harder each day to regain your metabolism back.
 
#140
#140
I don't buy the "Dobbs can't throw downfield" argument. Are you seriously telling me that given 3-4 seconds, he is physically not capable of throwing a catchable football to a wide out? I'm not talking about the perfect throw where all a receiver has to do is put his hands up...I'm talking about allowing them to make a play on the ball. That is all that is required. Surely he is capable of delivering a pass with that kind of accuracy 10+ yards downfield.

We've got the horses...let 'em run
 
#141
#141
VolinNooga14 said:
I don't buy the "Dobbs can't throw downfield" argument. Are you seriously telling me that given 3-4 seconds, he is physically not capable of throwing a catchable football to a wide out? I'm not talking about the perfect throw where all a receiver has to do is put his hands up...I'm talking about allowing them to make a play on the ball. That is all that is required. Surely he is capable of delivering a pass with that kind of accuracy 10+ yards downfield.

We've got the horses...let 'em run
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The problem is not the accuracy of his 10 yard downfield pass. He can make those passes reasonably well but the problem is defenses know this and crowd that area of the field so receivers get blasted as soon as they touch the ball - there were few of those instances yesterday where they got hit so hard they dropped the ball - which yesterday fortunately resulted in incompletions rather than fumbles. The real problem is that Dobbs cannot complete longer passes over people that require touch. That would force the defenses to cover people downfield and then the shorter passes would be available and everything really open up (help the running game too). But he just can't complete those passes - I think coaches know this as well and that's why they hardly ever even consider calling those plays. And of course our best WR's North and Preston William would be best used on those types of throws (which Worley used to do with North).
 
#142
#142
TGVol said:
The problem is not the accuracy of his 10 yard downfield pass. He can make those passes reasonably well but the problem is defenses know this and crowd that area of the field so receivers get blasted as soon as they touch the ball - there were few of those instances yesterday where they got hit so hard they dropped the ball - which yesterday fortunately resulted in incompletions rather than fumbles. The real problem is that Dobbs cannot complete longer passes over people that require touch. That would force the defenses to cover people downfield and then the shorter passes would be available and everything really open up (help the running game too). But he just can't complete those passes - I think coaches know this as well and that's why they hardly ever even consider calling those plays. And of course our best WR's North and Preston William would be best used on those types of throws (which Worley used to do with North).
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Well, one way to never complete the pass is to never attempt it. We're batting 1.000 in that regard.
 
#143
#143
VolinNooga14 said:
Well, one way to never complete the pass is to never attempt it. We're batting 1.000 in that regard.
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Butch did let Worley attempt (and often complete) those passes so it has to be that the decision to not try it is purely due to staff knowing Dobbs is not able to do it (at least with any consistency - this must be a well known fact from watching practice etc.).
 
#144
#144
When an offensive coordinator decides to throw out 70% of the route tree and allow his WRs to do almost nothing more than comebacks and curls with an occasional bubble screen thrown in, it's difficult to say what the receivers can and can't do.

They wouldn't know a combo route or pick play if it bit them on the a--.

This passing offense looks like something out of high school.
 
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