Why would a coach want to come to UT?

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Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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First of all.... Money talks.....
Second... Tennessee is as good of a college job as their is in the country. Tradition, facilities, fan base.. what more is there??
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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Richt, Miles, Saban, and Meyer all disagree with your point about big coaches avoid the the SEC. Our world class facilities, stadium, recruiting budget, and (probably) our pocket book are all things that will attract a new coach to the University of Tennessee. We probably won't get a Butch Davis, but any change at this point is better than years of nothing. Even if it's someone like Brian Kelly, at least we'd have new, young, blood to give coaching here a shot. We will be able to find a more competent coach than Fulmer, but it may also take more than one try.
 
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utwyatt said:
The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level.
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You certainly make a great point.

Why coach in Knoxville, where the fans have never even played a down of college football? How can the UT job ever compete with the other jobs in the SEC where all the fans are former college football players?
 
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TreeGreen said:
Richt, Miles, Saban, and Meyer all disagree with your point about big coaches avoid the the SEC. Our world class facilities, stadium, recruiting budget, and (probably) our pocket book are all things that will attract a new coach to the University of Tennessee. We probably won't get a Butch Davis, but any change at this point is better than years of nothing. Even if it's someone like Brian Kelly, at least we'd have new, young, blood to give coaching here a shot. We will be able to find a more competent coach than Fulmer, but it may also take more than one try.
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I don't think Tn can afford to go the route that Bama went. They have to get it right the first time. Pay someone the money and lets start winning again!
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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Your right, CPF is the best we will ever have, why even try to find someone else. Lets just stay safe in our mediocrity there is no need or reason too try and better ourselves.
 
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Sherman from Niota said:
I don't think Tn can afford to go the route that Bama went. They have to get it right the first time. Pay someone the money and lets start winning again!
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LSU went through a number of coaches before landing Saban, and then continuing with Miles. Bama went through a number of coaches before landing Saban. I would prefer to not go that route, but I'm pointing out that if it ends up that way it is both A) not that uncommon and B) not a whole lot different than what we have now only at least we'd be trying something new. I don't think we have the deep pockets of some of these other schools either, but neither do I believe that we have to hire a $5-6 million dollar coach to start winning again.
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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I doubt any coach will spend much time on the strip, but would rather be wined and dined by boosters. Furthermore, I do not think any other program has fans that aren't arm chair quarterbacks. That's what fans are. My last point is the fact that top notch coaches want to coach somewhere with tradition and competition and are not crushed by the pressure to perform. There is no guarantee U.T. will be able to land a coach on the level of Saban or Meyer, but Alabama and Florida did get these men. I do not see the situation here being dramatically different.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
You certainly make a great point.

Why coach in Knoxville, where the fans have never even played a down of college football? How can the UT job ever compete with the other jobs in the SEC where all the fans are former college football players?
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:lolabove:
 
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I guess if all you expect is mediocre, bad football, that is all you are going to get. There's no reason Tennessee can't land a Butch Davis calibre coach.
 
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First of all, Tennessee is one of the most tax advantaged states in the country to live in. If Kentucky's coach made the same amount of money as Tennessee's coach, by the time he got done paying the pole cats in Frankfort, the city and the county taxes he'd make about 12% less money. May not sound like much, but on 3 million bucks, that's a hell of a lot of money.

Secondly, Knoxville is a pretty reasonable place to live relative to other places given property values and other costs of living. Not that someone in that income category cares that much about it.

East Tennessee is a great place to live. There's plenty of fishing, hunting, mountains, etc. The climate is pretty moderate, not miserable in the summer like a Florida and not freezing tail cold like a Michigan in the winter. Yeah, I know, it's cold right now, but it's not snowing either.

As far as the job goes, it's UT, it's a nationally prominent SEC football school. Can a top coach prove his talent coaching Boise State? No, who's on their schedule? Yeah, there are other SEC schools with less pressure. Mississippi State comes to mind, maybe Ole Miss, Vandy, Arkansas. Where's it going to be easier to recruit quality players? UT or one of the SEC door mat schools? Maybe an Oregon? Fresno St? Baylor?

Look at the coach's pay scale? Who pays better on average than the top SEC schools? The answer is nobody by a long shot. There's probably 2.5 million per year difference in Tennessee's coach's salary than that of a Wyoming for instance.

Yes, there are other top SEC schools. FL, Ga, Bammer, Auburn, and LSU. Which one of those doesn't pressure the coach to be a winner? Tubberville is on as thin of ice as Fulmer is and Richt is going to have to step up sometime in the near future and quit shooting themselves in the foot with early losses to Vandy or SC. Being the coach at a top school isn't pressure free anywhere. You can be mediocre at Kentucky from now on if you impressivly beat Louisville every other year, but you can't do that at a top tier school in the Big 10, Southwest, SEC, or any school with top expectations.

UT won't have a problem finding a replacement.

Skipper
 
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Vol fans have grown use to having a winning program and are loyal fans noted by the attendance averages throughout the years. We shouldn't be knocked because Fulmer and Hamilton have allowed it to become a wounded duck program. We want winners running the program again, not has beens.
 
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The strip will have nothing to do with the caliber of the coach we hire and is the weakest argument I have ever heard. Unless you consider the fact that every time I go up there it is packed with Gators and Bamers and all the other opposing fans that are happy in the streets.

You know why Butch Davis would come to UT? Because in 2000 he was in the top 3 highest paidest coaches in the nation, back when Spurrier was the top dog. The opportunity to coach the worse team in the worst city in America didn't keep him from following the cash to Cleveland. And now, questionably as good as ever, he is making $2 mill a year at a basketball school with a 50,000k seat football stadium. Butch is ready to leave a mark somewhere. The probability is 10x better at UT and the money is probably 2x better.
 
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Grateful Vol said:
The strip will have nothing to do with the caliber of the coach we hire and is the weakest argument I have ever heard. Unless you consider the fact that every time I go up there it is packed with Gators and Bamers and all the other opposing fans that are happy in the streets.

You know why Butch Davis would come to UT? Because in 2000 he was in the top 3 highest paidest coaches in the nation, back when Spurrier was the top dog. The opportunity to coach the worse team in the worst city in America didn't keep him from following the cash to Cleveland. And now, questionably as good as ever, he is making $2 mill a year at a basketball school with a 50,000k seat football stadium. Butch is ready to leave a mark somewhere. The probability is 10x better at UT and the money is probably 2x better.
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I agree with everything but the Butch Davis statement. He would have way more pressure to succeed here, more competition, and probably not 2x the money. I don't see Davis being realistic in the "who are you going to get" lexicon of coaches.
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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1) Butch Davis currently coaches the baby-blue clad UNC Tarheels, who haven't been relevant in. . . .well. . . .forever, unless you count basketball.

2) The renovations of downtown and the waterfront far outweigh the failure of Cumberland Avenue. "The Strip" has long relied on underage consumption and college student patronage. The closing of O'Charley's only limits the number of places that our players might be found illegally consuming alcohol. I seriously doubt that our new head coach will mourn the loss of the Last Lap while dining at Ruth's Chris.

3) If you think that the parking lots around UT are filled with "trash and broken glass," then you should visit the spaces held by season-ticket holding Vol Faithful. We show up at 8 AM on game days, cook for 20-30 of our closest friends, and welcome all who bleed Orange. Welcome to reality.

4) We have some of the best facilities in the country, a nearly-unlimited supply of VASF money, and a location and climate to rival any program in the country.

Any questions?
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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Haha for being a new member you sure do post/talk alot...

I thought you said you were a big booster and your knew fulmer wasn't leaving?

hmmm...

Any coachin their right mind would want to come to Tennessee.. You succeed... your a Legend... LEGEND...

Neyland is a Legend..
Fulmer is a Legend..

Who will be the next?
 
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utwyatt said:
Why would Butch Davis or many of the other high profile coaches want to come to UT. For my entire life I have been nothing but a Vol fan hell I bleed orange. The head coaching job here is a no win situation especially dealing with arm chair coaches (like the 1,000s that are on here) who have never played a down of football in there life much less at the college level. Have as anyone been on the strip lately. Its a dump. It is run down and the parking lots are filthy and covered with nothing but trash and broken glass. If anyone hasn't noticed these coaches have decided to go to lesser schools so they can actually coach, teach and mentor young men with out the huge amount of pressure placed on them while steal making a hefty salary. Plus you have to take into consideration the challenge of coaching in the SEC which is without question the best conferenct is college football history. No one on this earth wants Fulmer gone more than me but what makes you think we can land someone better?
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"Mr. Hamilton, I would accept your offer of 3 million of a year, but after seeing the broken glass on the strip, a part of town I'll almost never go to except to take recruits out for dinner, I am going to have to decline this multi-million paying job"
 
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Grateful Vol said:
The strip will have nothing to do with the caliber of the coach we hire and is the weakest argument I have ever heard. Unless you consider the fact that every time I go up there it is packed with Gators and Bamers and all the other opposing fans that are happy in the streets.

You know why Butch Davis would come to UT? Because in 2000 he was in the top 3 highest paidest coaches in the nation, back when Spurrier was the top dog. The opportunity to coach the worse team in the worst city in America didn't keep him from following the cash to Cleveland. And now, questionably as good as ever, he is making $2 mill a year at a basketball school with a 50,000k seat football stadium. Butch is ready to leave a mark somewhere. The probability is 10x better at UT and the money is probably 2x better.
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Good! Let him leave it at UNC.
 
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