Why we need to support Martin

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#78
lostsheep said:
Another solid post. Make a couple more and maybe you'll get another like from your boy BTO.
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I gave you exhibit A. Love how when it comes out of your pathetic mind it is acceptable, but the minute someone else does it, it's lame. Carry on with your elementary school brain development.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Florida was 1 (13-3), Kentucky 2 (10-6), Vandy 3 (9-7), UGA 4 (9-7), and the Vols 5. (8-8) Only beat USC in the East. That is completely true. And Bama (12-4) and Miss.State (9-7) round out Pearl finishing 7th in the conference. How is that not underachieving? That 6 seed for the Vols was a great overranking, even more than the #2 in Pearl's first year. No way a 19 win team should've been that high.
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My bad. I was actually looking at the year before.

However, FL #2 seed, KY #4 seed, Vandy #5 seed, TN# 9 seed, and GA#10 seed.

The point I see is still this.. Did they underachieve yes absolutely. But to point out that they finished 5th in the east and our current coach has not come close to that.... while a true statement, still isn't a good comparison. I have to ask myself based on current results where would a Martin led team have finished that same year... Certainly not better than 5th, and more than likely out of the tournament.

No need to get defensive or overly aggressive. Your opinion is yours and your right to it.. Same for myself or anyone else on here. You choose to support this coach and staff, and I choose not to. I don't see anything wrong with either approach.
 
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lostsheep said:
I don't give a rats ass what other SEC teams have or have not done, smart ass.

What's their record?? What's their RPI?? BPI?? We beat a team we should've beat, something we haven't done with consistency all year.

Now, pick something out of the above post and try to twist it into something to fit your argument...it's what you do best.
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Watching yours, and the other negavols a$$holes pucker up is funny. It's so entertaining to watch the tone of posters change the more and more likely it becomes we make the dance.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I gave you exhibit A. Love how when it comes out of your pathetic mind it is acceptable, but the minute someone else does it, it's lame. Carry on with your elementary school brain development.
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Another good job with the insults. Big talkers do love hiding behind the keyboards, so I'm not surprised.

If you look at my original post on this topic, I said CCM needs to go, tourney or no tourney. I also stated that he has under achieved with a talented and veteran team.

You then turn it into the "but CBP underachieved his last year because they got beat in the first round" argument, which is classic Martin apologist thinking. Then you finish that off by hurling insults...and you tell me to 'carry on with my elementary brain development?'.

Comical, to say the least.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Overall, yes. Now, if he doesn't make it this year, then no. I feel this way because I don't have an unrealistic, entitled attitude. Were you happy with 8-8 in the conference and a 19-15 record Pearl's last year? Talk about underachieving. But, of course you are, because he made the tournament, but that's not good enough for Martin.
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Unrealistic attitude in your eyes = expecting a coach to lead his Team to the tourney. Expect him to not recruit projects.

I really don't care about Pearl. I just want Martin gone. He is godawful in so many ways.
 
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vols 30 said:
Unrealistic attitude in your eyes = expecting a coach to lead his Team to the tourney. Expect him to not recruit projects.

I really don't care about Pearl. I just want Martin gone. He is godawful in so many ways.
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And Martin can still lead this team to the tournament. Believe it or not, he can. But you still want him fired, even though he meets your stated expectation.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Watching yours, and the other negavols a$$holes pucker up is funny. It's so entertaining to watch the tone of posters change the more and more likely it becomes we make the dance.
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My *******s not puckering dude, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. My stance hasn't changed a bit on CCM, just because he has beaten 3 teams he should've beat.

What is comical is watching you Martin apologists puff your chests after beating 3 lousy teams and acting as if it takes away all the bad losses this team has had.
 
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lostsheep said:
Another good job with the insults. Big talkers do love hiding behind the keyboards, so I'm not surprised.

If you look at my original post on this topic, I said CCM needs to go, tourney or no tourney. I also stated that he has under achieved with a talented and veteran team.

You then turn it into the "but CBP underachieved his last year because they got beat in the first round" argument, which is classic Martin apologist thinking. Then you finish that off by hurling insults...and you tell me to 'carry on with my elementary brain development?'.

Comical, to say the least.
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I provided an extreme case of underachieving, but you try to ignore it. That, along with his 8-8 record in conference and only 19 wins made that team an underachiever. Not just the ass stomping to Michigan.
 
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whobethis16 said:
And Martin can still lead this team to the tournament. Believe it or not, he can. But you still want him fired, even though he meets your stated expectation.
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If he makes the tourney, then he should be allowed to finish out his contract. I would not extend him, so what if we lose some 3 star recruits.
 
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lostsheep said:
My *******s not puckering dude, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. My stance hasn't changed a bit on CCM, just because he has beaten 3 teams he should've beat.

What is comical is watching you Martin apologists puff your chests after beating 3 lousy teams and acting as if it takes away all the bad losses this team has had.
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Who is puffing their chest?

Is that in the same fantasy world that knowthevols sees all the Martin supporters prancing around?
 
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#89
Imo We shouldn't lose to any sec other than fl ky mo and we for sure shouldn't lose the kind if games we have lost pre sec play(can't remember the Garbo teams we lost to) I will always support ut but ccm is a average coach. We need an above average coach. We need energy because this is a football school. Cbp brought energy and got the fans excited. I don't think cbp comes back(wish he would) but we need some1 like him
 
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Rudy123 said:
Smart turned us down the last time because we didn't want to pay him. It wasn't because he wasn't interested in Tennessee.

Very good point about Cheeks!!!! We were all thinking that the A.D. would not offer Pearl and that would be the reason for him not coaching at U.T. again.

You bring it from another angle. I had always assumed that if Pearl were offered, then he would accept the job. That may not be the case.
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why would Pearls son say something like that ? The Pearls are too smart and media savy to put things like that out for public consumptions, that is, I don't believe that was said.
 
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lostsheep said:
My *******s not puckering dude, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. My stance hasn't changed a bit on CCM, just because he has beaten 3 teams he should've beat.

What is comical is watching you Martin apologists puff your chests after beating 3 lousy teams and acting as if it takes away all the bad losses this team has had.
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Does being proud of a team even not meeting expectations aquat to puffing my chest. If so king Kong ain't got nothing on me
 
#92
#92
Martin has greatly improved his chances of being here next year or I guess I should say the players have. The question will be about how much Hart extends him..
 
#93
#93
LWSVOL said:
Martin has greatly improved his chances of being here next year or I guess I should say the players have. The question will be about how much Hart extends him..
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With the assumption they make the dance I assume? Meaning they lose Saturday and end up in the NIT this isn't the case?
 
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iKrager said:
Interesting Martin fact:
Cuonzo Martins ranks 3rd (60%) in SEC win percentage behind Billy Donovan and John Calipari, among active SEC coaches.
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Which is one reason so many coaches are in a dead panic if he gets fired. If ADs start noticing their mediocre records, several will be on the chopping block.

Just a bunch of "meh" coaches in this league right now.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Martin has greatly improved his chances of being here next year or I guess I should say the players have. The question will be about how much Hart extends him..
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If they extend him without making the tourney then that would put the UTAD at a new level of stupidity.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Martin has greatly improved his chances of being here next year or I guess I should say the players have. The question will be about how much Hart extends him..
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Lame duck if true. Brilliant strategy. Keep a guy that everybody knows can't get the job done just because he finally landed a "milestone" tourney appearance. Nevermind the fact that we should have been a tourney team fighting for seeding a month ago. Lame duck coaches are also great for recruiting classes. Extending Martin is like sacrificing two years just because he managed to squeak into the tournament once in his 3 years on the job.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
With the assumption they make the dance I assume? Meaning they lose Saturday and end up in the NIT this isn't the case?
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I don't think he has to make the tournament to stay now. Really strong sentiment for retaining him over there and they are happy to see how the team is playing right now..
 
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LWSVOL said:
I don't think he has to make the tournament to stay now. Really strong sentiment for retaining him over there and they are happy to see how the team is playing right now..
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This tells me how the AD feels about basketball
 
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#99
vols 30 said:
This tells me how the AD feels about basketball
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lot of factors are involved. finances are a huge issue. the department can't just continue to pay buyouts every year.. Hamilton affects still being felt..
 
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LWSVOL said:
lot of factors are involved. finances are a huge issue. the department can't just continue to pay buyouts every year.. Hamilton affects still being felt..
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Buyout seems like a piddly amount compared to the amount of revenue at stake if people lose interest and stop going to the games and buying hotdogs. A packed arena for every home game would definitely make a buyout worth the trouble.
 
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